Comments on: The Most Decisive Battle of All Time http://www.armchairgeneral.com/the-most-decisive-battle-of-all-time.htm All things military history! Mon, 13 Feb 2012 17:05:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Gautam http://www.armchairgeneral.com/the-most-decisive-battle-of-all-time.htm/comment-page-1#comment-29664 Gautam Fri, 21 Oct 2011 10:23:33 +0000 http://www.armchairgeneral.com/?p=5950#comment-29664 Indo pak war of 1971 should also be give a mention...coz...this war led to formation of bangladesh a new country! Indo pak war of 1971 should also be give a mention…coz…this war led to formation of bangladesh a new country!

]]> By: greg http://www.armchairgeneral.com/the-most-decisive-battle-of-all-time.htm/comment-page-1#comment-22791 greg Thu, 05 May 2011 02:49:33 +0000 http://www.armchairgeneral.com/?p=5950#comment-22791 exactly, when you water down the ancient /medieval/gunpowder/modern eras battles what are the most pivotal? exactly, when you water down the ancient /medieval/gunpowder/modern eras battles what are the most pivotal?

]]> By: pilgrim http://www.armchairgeneral.com/the-most-decisive-battle-of-all-time.htm/comment-page-1#comment-21660 pilgrim Fri, 25 Mar 2011 04:07:03 +0000 http://www.armchairgeneral.com/?p=5950#comment-21660 regarding American civil war, submit opinion the south could have survived the defeat at Gettysburg and still come out ahead. What gave the north the boost needed to win was the re-election of Lincoln in 64, helped immeasureably by suppressing casualty figures in the eastern theater and victories in the west. If Bragg was as aggressive as his junior generals advised him to be after his slight victory at Chickamauga, Rosecrans' army would have been driven away from Chattanoga with rout and significant captives. Chichamauga : decisive. regarding American civil war, submit opinion the south could have survived the defeat at Gettysburg and still come out ahead. What gave the north the boost needed to win was the re-election of Lincoln in 64, helped immeasureably by suppressing casualty figures in the eastern theater and victories in the west. If Bragg was as aggressive as his junior generals advised him to be after his slight victory at Chickamauga, Rosecrans’ army would have been driven away from Chattanoga with rout and significant captives. Chichamauga : decisive.

]]> By: Trickster http://www.armchairgeneral.com/the-most-decisive-battle-of-all-time.htm/comment-page-1#comment-16740 Trickster Wed, 29 Dec 2010 22:05:44 +0000 http://www.armchairgeneral.com/?p=5950#comment-16740 I would not call the Battle of Britain a "battle." It was a campaign, despite the name. I would not call the Battle of Britain a “battle.” It was a campaign, despite the name.

]]> By: JA http://www.armchairgeneral.com/the-most-decisive-battle-of-all-time.htm/comment-page-1#comment-10897 JA Sat, 13 Mar 2010 14:53:19 +0000 http://www.armchairgeneral.com/?p=5950#comment-10897 A substantial number of these battles appear to have been included because they are famous, not because they were world-shaping except in their very immediate future. For instance, Cannae,? Crecy? A substantial number of these battles appear to have been included because they are famous, not because they were world-shaping except in their very immediate future. For instance, Cannae,? Crecy?

]]> By: Mark Case http://www.armchairgeneral.com/the-most-decisive-battle-of-all-time.htm/comment-page-1#comment-8298 Mark Case Sat, 18 Jul 2009 00:04:54 +0000 http://www.armchairgeneral.com/?p=5950#comment-8298 When considering the single most decisive battle of all time, I would give serious consideration to the Battle of Britain. A German victory in the air campaign and a subsequent successful execution of Operation Sea Lion would have potentially provided Germany vast economic resources. Germany would have ultimately invaded the Soviet Union on much different, more favorable terms with the United States and its major Allies (Canada, Australia, and probably India) facing an even longer, more protracted war of technology and economic attrition against the Axis powers. When considering the single most decisive battle of all time, I would give serious consideration to the Battle of Britain. A German victory in the air campaign and a subsequent successful execution of Operation Sea Lion would have potentially provided Germany vast economic resources. Germany would have ultimately invaded the Soviet Union on much different, more favorable terms with the United States and its major Allies (Canada, Australia, and probably India) facing an even longer, more protracted war of technology and economic attrition against the Axis powers.

]]> By: Nickuru http://www.armchairgeneral.com/the-most-decisive-battle-of-all-time.htm/comment-page-1#comment-8220 Nickuru Sun, 21 Jun 2009 14:03:23 +0000 http://www.armchairgeneral.com/?p=5950#comment-8220 I agree on the Manzikert observation. Also, do not underestimate the effect of Myrocephalion. This last battle sounded the death knell of the Byzantine Empire. The formidable Byzantine infantry was trapped in a gorge, under the command of their hero worship seeking emperor, and this, about 1280, led to the loss of all the Balkans. This along with Manzikert led to the destruction of the Byzantine Empire. Only the battle of Lepanto prevented the whole of the Mediterranean become a Turkish sea. I agree on the Manzikert observation. Also, do not underestimate the effect of Myrocephalion. This last battle sounded the death knell of the Byzantine Empire. The formidable Byzantine infantry was trapped in a gorge, under the command of their hero worship seeking emperor, and this, about 1280, led to the loss of all the Balkans.
This along with Manzikert led to the destruction of the Byzantine Empire. Only the battle of Lepanto prevented the whole of the Mediterranean become a Turkish sea.

]]> By: Hernan Reyes http://www.armchairgeneral.com/the-most-decisive-battle-of-all-time.htm/comment-page-1#comment-8152 Hernan Reyes Thu, 28 May 2009 14:08:00 +0000 http://www.armchairgeneral.com/?p=5950#comment-8152 I am not saying it was THE most decisive battle of all time, but Manzikert 1071 certainly desrves more credit than it is ever given in Western history classes (forget history classes in the USA... it is never mentioned even in footnotes...). Manzikert was the trigger for the crusades, but more to the point it was the beginning of the inexorable end of the Byzantine Empire... Byzantium never recuperated from the loss of Anatolia and its human resources... Admittedly, the fourth "Crusade" in 1204 gave Constantinople a knock-out blow, but if Manzikert hadn't crippled the Byzantine Army back in 1071, the history of the Eatsern Empire arguably would have been much different... I am not saying it was THE most decisive battle of all time, but Manzikert 1071 certainly desrves more credit than it is ever given in Western history classes (forget history classes in the USA… it is never mentioned even in footnotes…). Manzikert was the trigger for the crusades, but more to the point it was the beginning of the inexorable end of the Byzantine Empire… Byzantium never recuperated from the loss of Anatolia and its human resources… Admittedly, the fourth “Crusade” in 1204 gave Constantinople a knock-out blow, but if Manzikert hadn’t crippled the Byzantine Army back in 1071, the history of the Eatsern Empire arguably would have been much different…

]]> By: tad http://www.armchairgeneral.com/the-most-decisive-battle-of-all-time.htm/comment-page-1#comment-8041 tad Wed, 06 May 2009 00:32:53 +0000 http://www.armchairgeneral.com/?p=5950#comment-8041 as a medeival encounter , I would like to mention " grunwald " this was a major engagement involving the 2 largest and influential european forces at that time --the german knights and the litho-polish coalition.many natioanls were present and the otcome determined a major settlement of political geography-i.e. the control of eastern europe. as a medeival encounter , I would like to mention ” grunwald ”
this was a major engagement involving the 2 largest and influential european forces at that time –the german knights and the litho-polish coalition.many natioanls were present and the otcome determined a major settlement of political geography-i.e. the control of eastern europe.

]]> By: Brad Cohen http://www.armchairgeneral.com/the-most-decisive-battle-of-all-time.htm/comment-page-1#comment-7671 Brad Cohen Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:51:43 +0000 http://www.armchairgeneral.com/?p=5950#comment-7671 I'd say Jutland was definitely the decisive naval conflict of WW1! The German Prisoner assaulted its Royal navy jailor, but stayed in prison IE even though it wasn't a crushing tactical victory for either it was strategically decisive victory for the Royal Navy in the surface war in WW1. Convoy ONS-5 is a good point, but I'd say victory in the Battle of the Atlantic was more about long term trends and developments, integrating new technologies and weapons into the allied ASW system rather then a single decisive engagement. Isn't it the case that the further back in history a battle is, the more inherently decisive in world history it is? Saratoga has only affected the world for 232 years, Salamis for 2488! The very idea we have a differing conception of an 'East' and a 'West' comes from this campaign... I’d say Jutland was definitely the decisive naval conflict of WW1! The German Prisoner assaulted its Royal navy jailor, but stayed in prison IE even though it wasn’t a crushing tactical victory for either it was strategically decisive victory for the Royal Navy in the surface war in WW1.
Convoy ONS-5 is a good point, but I’d say victory in the Battle of the Atlantic was more about long term trends and developments, integrating new technologies and weapons into the allied ASW system rather then a single decisive engagement.

Isn’t it the case that the further back in history a battle is, the more inherently decisive in world history it is? Saratoga has only affected the world for 232 years, Salamis for 2488! The very idea we have a differing conception of an ‘East’ and a ‘West’ comes from this campaign…

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