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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://www.armchairgeneral.com/jutland-pc-game-preview.htm/comment-page-1#comment-8363</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 10:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would not have believed some of these comments had I not come across this game, gone &#039;Ooooh! This looks wonderful&#039; and then gone &#039;WTF&#039; at the DRM used. (Hint: just because US workers have very short holidays doesn&#039;t mean the rest of the world is never away for more than a week.)

Incredibly, for a company only selling online, the only ways on their site to contact them are via post or by creating an account for their support ticket system and creating a ticket on it.

So I did that, saying that I would happily buy the game, but not with this DRM. The response was to close the ticket and mark it as &quot;mindless rant&quot;,

Yeah, that&#039;ll do wonders for customer relations.

As has been said, this is always going to be a niche product with a limited audience. Presuming they are thieves - even when you have their credit card and valid contact details before selling to them - and insulting them is the way to ensure you go out of business.

Still, when that happens, they will &quot;most likely&quot; release a version without the DRM bugs and I will get a chance to play it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would not have believed some of these comments had I not come across this game, gone &#8216;Ooooh! This looks wonderful&#8217; and then gone &#8216;WTF&#8217; at the DRM used. (Hint: just because US workers have very short holidays doesn&#8217;t mean the rest of the world is never away for more than a week.)</p>
<p>Incredibly, for a company only selling online, the only ways on their site to contact them are via post or by creating an account for their support ticket system and creating a ticket on it.</p>
<p>So I did that, saying that I would happily buy the game, but not with this DRM. The response was to close the ticket and mark it as &#8220;mindless rant&#8221;,</p>
<p>Yeah, that&#8217;ll do wonders for customer relations.</p>
<p>As has been said, this is always going to be a niche product with a limited audience. Presuming they are thieves &#8211; even when you have their credit card and valid contact details before selling to them &#8211; and insulting them is the way to ensure you go out of business.</p>
<p>Still, when that happens, they will &#8220;most likely&#8221; release a version without the DRM bugs and I will get a chance to play it.</p>
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		<title>By: Checkit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Checkit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 00:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The DRM is not something I would ever pay for. I&#039;d stop gaming first. The way I look at it is...........it&#039;s their loss not mine. Both titles look very interesting but I won&#039;t be buying either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The DRM is not something I would ever pay for. I&#8217;d stop gaming first. The way I look at it is&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..it&#8217;s their loss not mine. Both titles look very interesting but I won&#8217;t be buying either.</p>
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		<title>By: CatinHat</title>
		<link>http://www.armchairgeneral.com/jutland-pc-game-preview.htm/comment-page-1#comment-7829</link>
		<dc:creator>CatinHat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Mar 2009 07:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it me or do the games these people make look like a copy of SSI&#039;s &quot;Fighting Steel&quot; that was made in the 1998? Just seems like the up the eye sight on the ships a little. 

I lol at DRM who in there right mind would use that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it me or do the games these people make look like a copy of SSI&#8217;s &#8220;Fighting Steel&#8221; that was made in the 1998? Just seems like the up the eye sight on the ships a little. </p>
<p>I lol at DRM who in there right mind would use that?</p>
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		<title>By: Efraim Karsh</title>
		<link>http://www.armchairgeneral.com/jutland-pc-game-preview.htm/comment-page-1#comment-7705</link>
		<dc:creator>Efraim Karsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 07:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth, I found out that DG_RJW runs perfectly on linux (in fact it runs better than in windows, since you don&#039;t have all those norton cans of worms and sniffing microsoft software running in the background) and can be easily upgraded from demo to full fledged game with any good debugger, stupid software protections notwithstanding. The only problems are a minor graphic one (the information lens of all ships show an inverted upside down image of the ship in question) and the fact that you cannot update from the storm eagle servers (you will have to find stand alone updates on the web).

I dislike proprietary software, but understand that some good games deserve credit and maybe even money, so I think that (after having tried it fully) you should buy this simulation if you like it, but for those that have already bought it, at least the fact that you can bypass the crap and install it on as many boxes as you want, and play wherever and whenever you want, should be of confort. 
You don&#039;t have to renounce to a good game because of the DRM, just buy it and then bypass it.

The irony of the thing is that while the DRM annoys to death all legitimate owners, any average reverser can patch DG_RJWp.exe (in .wine/drive_c/Program Files/Storm Eagle Studios)  with two simple breakpoints (after having unpacked the exe and bypassed the cheksum) . Takes 20 minutes at most: on my version they were on 01582F6E for key 1 and 01582EF3 for key 2.

I haven&#039;t tried Jutland yet, but I guess that the DRM approach wont be all that different.

Apropos legality: if I&#039;m not mistaken in the European Union (contrary to the States), you are not only allowed but even encouraged to check that the software you install on your box doesn&#039;t contain any trojan. So your right to have a look cannot be questioned.
As for the right of modifying the source code of a patented  proprietary program (one of the main freedom rights granted for all linux software, btw) if you are worried just do the manipulations in some country, like S.Marino, that didn&#039;t sign the Geneva convention of the patent&#039;s holders mafia :-)

So if you already bought the game my advice would be:
1) switch to linux
2) install the DG_RJW demo and check that everything runs 
3) patch it &amp; forget the DRM crap

and if you didn&#039;t buy the game:
4) if you like it, be ethical and buy it

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, I found out that DG_RJW runs perfectly on linux (in fact it runs better than in windows, since you don&#8217;t have all those norton cans of worms and sniffing microsoft software running in the background) and can be easily upgraded from demo to full fledged game with any good debugger, stupid software protections notwithstanding. The only problems are a minor graphic one (the information lens of all ships show an inverted upside down image of the ship in question) and the fact that you cannot update from the storm eagle servers (you will have to find stand alone updates on the web).</p>
<p>I dislike proprietary software, but understand that some good games deserve credit and maybe even money, so I think that (after having tried it fully) you should buy this simulation if you like it, but for those that have already bought it, at least the fact that you can bypass the crap and install it on as many boxes as you want, and play wherever and whenever you want, should be of confort.<br />
You don&#8217;t have to renounce to a good game because of the DRM, just buy it and then bypass it.</p>
<p>The irony of the thing is that while the DRM annoys to death all legitimate owners, any average reverser can patch DG_RJWp.exe (in .wine/drive_c/Program Files/Storm Eagle Studios)  with two simple breakpoints (after having unpacked the exe and bypassed the cheksum) . Takes 20 minutes at most: on my version they were on 01582F6E for key 1 and 01582EF3 for key 2.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t tried Jutland yet, but I guess that the DRM approach wont be all that different.</p>
<p>Apropos legality: if I&#8217;m not mistaken in the European Union (contrary to the States), you are not only allowed but even encouraged to check that the software you install on your box doesn&#8217;t contain any trojan. So your right to have a look cannot be questioned.<br />
As for the right of modifying the source code of a patented  proprietary program (one of the main freedom rights granted for all linux software, btw) if you are worried just do the manipulations in some country, like S.Marino, that didn&#8217;t sign the Geneva convention of the patent&#8217;s holders mafia :-)</p>
<p>So if you already bought the game my advice would be:<br />
1) switch to linux<br />
2) install the DG_RJW demo and check that everything runs<br />
3) patch it &amp; forget the DRM crap</p>
<p>and if you didn&#8217;t buy the game:<br />
4) if you like it, be ethical and buy it</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Grumpyed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grumpyed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 23:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are many forms of DRM that are not intrusive and work. Stardock studios has a backround process that runs. Steam can have you sign in manually or automatically. Both dont hickup when you change hardware. And you dont even need Cd&#039;s or DVD&#039;s ever again. 

These companies are bigger and stardock is a professional windows application developer as well as just doing games. They have more resources. I hate DRM as much as the next guy. And even though I like the idea of a jutland game, I am still deciding if I will play this game enough to justify the cost and having a 4th DRM app running in the backround.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are many forms of DRM that are not intrusive and work. Stardock studios has a backround process that runs. Steam can have you sign in manually or automatically. Both dont hickup when you change hardware. And you dont even need Cd&#8217;s or DVD&#8217;s ever again. </p>
<p>These companies are bigger and stardock is a professional windows application developer as well as just doing games. They have more resources. I hate DRM as much as the next guy. And even though I like the idea of a jutland game, I am still deciding if I will play this game enough to justify the cost and having a 4th DRM app running in the backround.</p>
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		<title>By: NicK</title>
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		<dc:creator>NicK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 18:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will this DRM rubbish be removed? Who wants a game that connects home every seven days?? People must be out of their mind who spend their hard earned cash for that, no matter how good it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will this DRM rubbish be removed? Who wants a game that connects home every seven days?? People must be out of their mind who spend their hard earned cash for that, no matter how good it is.</p>
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		<title>By: Wassmann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wassmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 09:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being a big navy buff I was among the first 500 customers to the predecessor of Jutland.

I totally agree on the mercy thing. I had to reinstall twice. The first time it took three month for thec support to get me activated again, the second time they never got back to me. so essentially I have a non playable game for years on my harddrive now for which I spend a good deal of money. If Jutland has the same DRM I WILL NEVER BUY it. Even if I really long to be with the High Seas Fleet again, since all the other Jutland Games that were out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being a big navy buff I was among the first 500 customers to the predecessor of Jutland.</p>
<p>I totally agree on the mercy thing. I had to reinstall twice. The first time it took three month for thec support to get me activated again, the second time they never got back to me. so essentially I have a non playable game for years on my harddrive now for which I spend a good deal of money. If Jutland has the same DRM I WILL NEVER BUY it. Even if I really long to be with the High Seas Fleet again, since all the other Jutland Games that were out there.</p>
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		<title>By: TheLand</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheLand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What an awful thread.

I emailed SES customer support with a simple question half an hour ago, and had a response within ten minutes. And, frankly, I don&#039;t care about digital rights management.

What I do care about is having a decent naval combat simulation for World War I. And this really looks like one. It&#039;s not exactly a mainstream wargame, but if you&#039;re into naval warfare, it might be just what you&#039;re looking for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an awful thread.</p>
<p>I emailed SES customer support with a simple question half an hour ago, and had a response within ten minutes. And, frankly, I don&#8217;t care about digital rights management.</p>
<p>What I do care about is having a decent naval combat simulation for World War I. And this really looks like one. It&#8217;s not exactly a mainstream wargame, but if you&#8217;re into naval warfare, it might be just what you&#8217;re looking for.</p>
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		<title>By: CW</title>
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		<dc:creator>CW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 16:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After what I&#039;ve read over their DRM, and pathetic lack of willingness to communicate let alone take criticism, I can only recommend not to buy anything from this company anymore.  With their decision to stick to distributing crippleware, they have emphasized that they act solely in their own interests. And to people who are not going to heed the warnings : if support is not even accessible now, good luck trying to get this to run when the company is no more.

No one should touch such products, thats the only way they will ever disappear. May they rot on the shelve forever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After what I&#8217;ve read over their DRM, and pathetic lack of willingness to communicate let alone take criticism, I can only recommend not to buy anything from this company anymore.  With their decision to stick to distributing crippleware, they have emphasized that they act solely in their own interests. And to people who are not going to heed the warnings : if support is not even accessible now, good luck trying to get this to run when the company is no more.</p>
<p>No one should touch such products, thats the only way they will ever disappear. May they rot on the shelve forever.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 02:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have tryed to get the demo to work and I&#039;ve been locked out twice.

Not a good first impression.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have tryed to get the demo to work and I&#8217;ve been locked out twice.</p>
<p>Not a good first impression.</p>
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