Freedom of religion or Basic rights? Europe.

[Golani]

With the increase of religions based legislation in Western Europe, mainly revolving women wear and rights, here's something everyone should be aware of, women circumcision.

Survivors talk about the traumatic effect female genital mutilation has on their lives
WARNING: VIDEO CONTAINS DISTRESSING AND DISTURBING IMAGES Link to this video
Like any 12-year-old, Jamelia was excited at the prospect of a plane journey and a long summer holiday in the sun. An avid reader, she had filled her suitcases with books and was reading Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban when her mother came for her. "She said, 'You know it's going to be today?' I didn't know exactly what it would entail but I knew something was going to be cut. I was made to believe it was genuinely part of our religion."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/20...en-british-law

Your thoughts?

[Jonathanrex1]

Why anyone feels genital mutilation/circumsicm is requried to be a good person, is beyond me. If I could, I would ban such practices.

[Golani]

Originally Posted by Jonathanrex1

Why anyone feels genital mutilation/circumsicm is requried to be a good person, is beyond me. If I could, I would ban such practices.

To deny the pleasure of the guilt that is sex.

Or to deny women's ability to determine when they want to have sex.

[Jonathanrex1]

What is it with hardcore religious people and their apparent phobia of sex? Sex is natural. It's programmed in the brain, so people will have babies.

[Intranetusa]

Religious fundies are too anti-sex.

Of course, there are the ethic-less decadent-lifestyle people out there who are too pro-sex.

Too much extreme in any direction is a bad thing.

[Cyberknight]

The claims that religion is responsible for the concept of sexual immorality is incomplete. Marriage in monogamy is the rule not the exception.

After the Boshevik revolution, the sexual revolution in Russia was on full swing and lasted less than a generation. Despite the claims that the church and the state used marriage and chastity to oppress, the experiment in sexual license failed the society, specifically women and children dismally. The stability of the family structure was not replaceable by any other model and chlidren were sometimes left to the care of the party or nobody.

Just as the modern West is relearning the lesson that fathers do not just exist for financial support, the Soviets returned to traditional marriage without any religion.

[DracoBorealis]

FGM are foreign customs imposed on Europe in the name of multicultism; you can't blame this on any religion even islam becouse they're predominatly African in orygin and nature. Of course islam has tendency to pick up the worst customs in every culture it tries to swallow; but this is discusion for another topic. Anyway trying to couse sympathy for the Israel by pointing of black spots of islamic culture is pointless as mayority of western public opinion is too moraly vacuus to see the difrerence.

[Golani]

I'm not here to "win points" for Israel.
Merely trying to point out some of the things people tend to overlook daily when preachers will sell you stuff like the mosque on ground zero is actually a symbol of peace.

I, for one, have not heard of this practice being done in modern times (or ever for that matter) by African tribes (I could be wrong though) but it is, still today, very common in Muslim communities even the farthest away from Africa.

Mix it up with the Buraka issue and the ground zero mosque and I'd say we have quite a few burning topics regarding the spread of the ugly parts of Islam into the western world.

[kelt06]

Originally Posted by Golani

I'm not here to "win points" for Israel.
Merely trying to point out some of the things people tend to overlook daily when preachers will sell you stuff like the mosque on ground zero is actually a symbol of peace.

I, for one, have not heard of this practice being done in modern times (or ever for that matter) by African tribes (I could be wrong though) but it is, still today, very common in Muslim communities even the farthest away from Africa.

Mix it up with the Buraka issue and the ground zero mosque and I'd say we have quite a few burning topics regarding the spread of the ugly parts of Islam into the western world.

Golani, what about the Falashas ? they are jewish but their women are excised.

For women the mutilation is called Excision, Circoncision it's for men Jewish and Muslim alike, in both cases it's a mutilation aimed at reducing the sexual pleasure.

The excision is traditionnaly carried out in several African countries, regardless of religion, Animalists, Christians, Jews, Muslims.

kelt

[Golani]

What a pleasant surprise, Kelt is trying to shift a debate, how refreshing.

Originally Posted by kelt06

Golani, what about the Falashas ? they are jewish but their women are excised.

The Falashas aren't technically Jewish, they actually have to go through conversion if they want to be regarded as such and as far as I know, they don't practice gentile mutilation.

For women the mutilation is called Excision,

Point noted, in Hebrew we just call it women circumcision.

Circoncision it's for men Jewish and Muslim alike, in both cases it's a mutilation aimed at reducing the sexual pleasure.

That's the biggest absurd I heard from you yet kelt...

The excision is traditionnaly carried out in several African countries, regardless of religion, Animalists, Christians, Jews, Muslims.
kelt

Never heard it being practiced, in modern times, by anyone other then the Muslim faith, notably not by any Jews, but again- I'm not surprised you are trying to switch it all against the Jews....

[Heidi]

Should not this be in the Europe section?

FGM are foreign customs imposed on Europe in the name of multi cultism

Hitler did the same thing in Europe before multicultural was in effect, but,it still was not European culture to do so.

The film shows African women in Africa,Not British girls in Europe?

Freedom of religion or Basic rights? Europe.

Let them do it,it's there religion and if they want to breed themselfs out,then that's there problem...as long Western Europe don't follow there custom,pretty disgusting!

Mix it up with the Buraka issue and the ground zero mosque and I'd say we have quite a few burning topics regarding the spread of the ugly parts of Islam into the western world.

That's want most of us wanted,so now you got it.

[Golani]

Originally Posted by Heidi

The film shows African women in Africa,Not British girls in Europe?

British girls that are sent to Sudan where the 'masters' are, then return to Britain.

Let them do it,it's there religion and if they want to breed themselfs out,then that's there problem...as long Western Europe don't follow there custom,pretty disgusting!

It doesn't effect fertility, it only neutralizes the woman's ability to enjoy sex, that aside from all the pain and humiliation involved in the process.

That's want most of us wanted,so now you got it.

[Miss Saigon]

No freedoms are unlimited. For example, in the US polygamy is illegal even for religions who believe in it. You cannot sacrifice virgins. Etc.

So religious freedom need not come into play. This is a form of assault and abuse and should be punishable by castration to the men who force it.

[llkinak]

Originally Posted by Miss Saigon

No freedoms are unlimited. For example, in the US polygamy is illegal even for religions who believe in it. You cannot sacrifice virgins. Etc.

So religious freedom need not come into play. This is a form of assault and abuse and should be punishable by castration to the men who force it.

Agreed, with the caveat that it's not exclusively males who enforce this horrible practice.

[Golani]

So, once we cleared this obstacle- is it even possible to regulate this-legally?

Assuming the British government wants to put an end to the custom how should they go about it? I mean the actual deed is done outside their territory.