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Most people think that it is entirely a 'Mental' thing about PTSD. It isn't, the newest research is showing that chemicals in the brain are more involved. Getting these chemicals under control will be a huge step to getting PTSD under control. Now, what caused these chemicals to form? Well, you guessed it, hugemongous stressors, like war and near death experiences.
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Those are the steps modern Psychiatry is taking towards being acknowledged as a true medical science.
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C. Inside the mil, no outside interference any and all stress syndromes are taken seriously. People are treated and for the most part returned to duty.
Still no reason jump all down my shirt for mentioning the recent trend in fake mental illness claims, both civilian and military.

This brings us back to a fundenmental disagreement that we have...

The military is built of Americans, and such is prone to the same problems that American society suffers. That includes being over-diagnosed and over-medicated, as well as victim to the mental health industry that peddles its products so well that children take amphetamines and wimps can shirk their duties.

It's a problem, whether you realize it or not. Surely there are those who need medication and/or therapy, but the percentage of false claims is on a steady rise in this country and with its citizens, including its soldiers.

And thus, the dramatic upswing in the PTSD numbers, according to some in the media.

That's all I was putting forth. No need to blow a gasket on me, or call me a coward.

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And, like Stolen Honor, there are always those impostors looking for a way to get attention to themselves and make a fast buck in the process.
All I was saying. There are some fakers, and there numbers are increasing because of the ease of the scam...
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Complex anxiety disorder

The fact that someone has already mentioned the change in brain chemistry is a good starting point. My sympathetic nervous system has ramped to the point that normal inhibitors are not there. Commonly called "hitting the red line" or "going zero to sixty and a snap". I have almost gone to jail twice for tearing apart civilians who either assaulted my wife or spit in my face. Anger management is key as well as patient education about this life long anxiety syndrome. Hyper-vigilance and hyper-aggressionare defining characteristics.

The VA scrutinizes PTSD claims. There is a hotline for the report of fraud that is commonly circulated. Trust me if you really have this mental disorder you don't want it... or you want to live in the woods far away from people.

Think of it as a over developed survival mechanism not appropriate for the modern world.
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Since it's a psych. thing, boundaries are alot harder to define.

What exactly is PTSD? what are it's syndromes?
This field is just shaping up now and seeing how it's a very delicate subject doctors seem to include more then what's right so no one will be left out.

It can get rather ironic, some people sue the military because they claim to have PTSD from very stressful mess duties and doctors back their claim up.
Golani ; You are talking about psychiatry of 25 years ago. Functional Brain Imaging can diagnose mental disorders with more precision than X rays can diagnose most medical disorders.

PTSD has a very characteristic pattern on functional brain imaging with the most consist ,important pattern being hyperactivity of the Amygdala. Functional imaging remains very expensive but there are cheaper methods which are very accurate.

The Federal government just doesn't give out disability pensions because someone claims to have PTSD. The soldier must go through a extensive process called a medical board involving several MDs which takes months.

In the US , you can't sue the Federal government.

I'm a little surprised at your lack of familiarity with PTSD. It originally was used to describe situations such as the mental state of survivors of the holocaust.
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The fact that someone has already mentioned the change in brain chemistry is a good starting point. My sympathetic nervous system has ramped to the point that normal inhibitors are not there. Commonly called "hitting the red line" or "going zero to sixty and a snap". I have almost gone to jail twice for tearing apart civilians who either assaulted my wife or spit in my face. Anger management is key as well as patient education about this life long anxiety syndrome. Hyper-vigilance and hyper-aggressionare defining characteristics.

The VA scrutinizes PTSD claims. There is a hotline for the report of fraud that is commonly circulated. Trust me if you really have this mental disorder you don't want it... or you want to live in the woods far away from people.

Think of it as a over developed survival mechanism not appropriate for the modern world.
You described it very accurately. The violent outbursts are also referred to as blackouts. I know several veterans and active duty SMs who had blackouts.

A US army veteran or active duty SM with PTSD who is not being effectively treated is in my opinion ,are among the most violent dangerous types of people.

If want hear about super road rage, one veteran I know was driving and another driver gave him the finger. He cut off that driver's car blocking traffic on an interstate.

When he saw he couldn't get into the other car ,he was in such as rage, he began punching the windshield cracking it and then making a hole big enough to drag the other driver out and who he began beating him.

He quickly stopped when other drivers whose cars were blocked ran up to him. He said he quickly got into this car and drove away. I know it's hard to believe this story .

This guy every time he told the story was never in any way proud. He was , if anything , remorseful.
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Golani ; You are talking about psychiatry of 25 years ago. Functional Brain Imaging can diagnose mental disorders with more precision than X rays can diagnose most medical disorders.

PTSD has a very characteristic pattern on functional brain imaging with the most consist ,important pattern being hyperactivity of the Amygdala. Functional imaging remains very expensive but there are cheaper methods which are very accurate.

The Federal government just doesn't give out disability pensions because someone claims to have PTSD. The soldier must go through a extensive process called a medical board involving several MDs which takes months.

In the US , you can't sue the Federal government.

I'm a little surprised at your lack of familiarity with PTSD. It originally was used to describe situations such as the mental state of survivors of the holocaust.
I'm not too much into psychiatry

As far as I know, syndromes vary on a wide range and the common used term is sometimes mixed up with the medical definition (at least in Hebrew).

I know guys, hack sometimes it happens to me, who don't have PTSD, but the "right" combination of alcohol and emotions could get them to snap and act according to some PTSD syndromes.
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The VA scrutinizes PTSD claims. There is a hotline for the report of fraud that is commonly circulated. Trust me if you really have this mental disorder you don't want it... or you want to live in the woods far away from people.
I may not be one, but I know enough veterans to know how inept the VA can be.

A disorder being terrible to have doesn't prevent fakers, and the various agencies, civilian and military, aren't able to catch them all.

That is, in-part, supposed to be responsible for the rise in the number claims....
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I may not be one, but I know enough veterans to know how inept the VA can be.

A disorder being terrible to have doesn't prevent fakers, and the various agencies, civilian and military, aren't able to catch them all.

That is, in-part, supposed to be responsible for the rise in the number claims....
Neuro-Psych evals are catching them. You just can't walk in and claim PTSD you have to prove a stressor and then usually after your C&P they follow up with mental care.... if you don't follow up usually they get suspicious..... like getting stuc with your hand in the cookie jar.

My father has PTSD... and my grandfather does too.... what isn't talked about is the price the veterans family pays.... abuse, neglect and mental/physical trauma.

You should see the number of REMF's who whine over at IAVA boards about not getting comp for PTSD. So the percentage is lower than you think. This whole conception of PTSD fakers... is it the Post Vietnam thing or is there actual reports in the media?

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I may not be one, but I know enough veterans to know how inept the VA can be.

A disorder being terrible to have doesn't prevent fakers, and the various agencies, civilian and military, aren't able to catch them all.

That is, in-part, supposed to be responsible for the rise in the number claims....
the reason for the upward number of claims Paul is its an asymmetrical Battlefield (no front lines). Not only do you have a number of one term-ers who go over and fight and have there fill come home with issues, but a Lot of multi-tour veterans are coming home and getting thrown out. I was thrown out for PTSD/TBI after being hospitalized. this is after 11 years service.

I have buddies on their 4th and 5th tours who are now going into combat on anti-Depressants (SSRIs).
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This whole conception of PTSD fakers... is it the Post Vietnam thing or is there actual reports in the media?
I'll see if I can find the links again.

I posted links about six months ago or so on two articles about mental illness imposters in the military when the same type of discussion was going on.

I'm sure a bit of googling would turn up something more recent, but I don't want to further upset anyone.

I only mentioned the increase in false diagnosis because I had read about it, I did it to stimulate the conversation, I didn't intend to rattle any cages...

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I have buddies on their 4th and 5th tours who are now going into combat on anti-Depressants (SSRIs).
And I have a pal on his 5th tour who drinks to calm his nerves. Not in the field, of course.

I don't know how safe it is to give drugs to soldiers before combat. It has had mixed results in other cases I've read about.

And some of those drugs have wild, mood-altering side-effects that might make an armed and trained killer a liability on the battlefield. I can think of a number of cases (including one first-hand experience) in which anti-depressants lead to violent and/or suicidal behavior.

Anyone who is disturbed enough to need medication probably shouldn't be in combat... Just an opinion though, very little for me to base it on...
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I'll see if I can find the links again.

I posted links about six months ago or so on two articles about mental illness imposters in the military when the same type of discussion was going on.

I'm sure a bit of googling would turn up something more recent, but I don't want to further upset anyone.

I only mentioned the increase in false diagnosis because I had read about it, I did it to stimulate the conversation, I didn't intend to rattle any cages...



And I have a pal on his 5th tour who drinks to calm his nerves. Not in the field, of course.

I don't know how safe it is to give drugs to soldiers before combat. It has had mixed results in other cases I've read about.

And some of those drugs have wild, mood-altering side-effects that might make an armed and trained killer a liability on the battlefield. I can think of a number of cases (including one first-hand experience) in which anti-depressants lead to violent and/or suicidal behavior.

Anyone who is disturbed enough to need medication probably shouldn't be in combat... Just an opinion though, very little for me to base it on...
I think you are thinking about the anti malarial drugs ... Melfiquine causes the symptoms and side effects you have mentioned.
SSRI's are almost tailored made for PTSD. Prozac is actually heralded as the best designed drug to treat PTSD. Propanolol ( a beta blocker helps deal with the heightened sympathetic ( fight or flight impulse), Sleep aids such as temazepam, Ambien CR and or Trazadone are used to combat the sleep disorder.

In the field I know that SSRI's are used because they are safe for use in combat. the sleep aids can't be used in field ops. Frequently I would use OTC Benadryl or 25mg of Phenerghan to help my guys sleep when ever we were back in the FOB. Just imagine a whole platoon lined up at hooch ...getting meds to sleep after they shower and clean their weapons post op .. literally that is what happened.... the Base personnel ( FOBBITs) commented that it was always really quiet when we came back ... we usually slept for 3 days straight only getting up for latrine calls and chow.

I have a lot of experience in this area. We had guys busted for using Pakistani produced Valium bought through locals to sleep as well as I know of troops in country using pot to cut the edge off of stress.

The media makes a lot of fuss about small things trying to make it a big deal. Also I would recommend that before you talk about something know a bit more about it. I think it is okay to talk about the fraudulent claims... I was trying to tell you one it has been taken seriously. Two that the VA and mental health agencies are trying the best they can to be discerning because resources wasted on them could be used for others with genuine cases.

I am not upset at all Paul just sharing my personal experience... to illuminate you to another side of the argument.
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I may not be one, but I know enough veterans to know how inept the VA can be.

A disorder being terrible to have doesn't prevent fakers, and the various agencies, civilian and military, aren't able to catch them all.

That is, in-part, supposed to be responsible for the rise in the number claims....

The VA doesn't decide who receives compensation for service connected disabilities.

It is done before a service member leaves the military.As I said previously , there is the MEB Medical evaluation Board which decides if a service member has PTSD.

Once someone is out of the service, they may seek treatment for PTSD at a VA but cannot get a disability pension.

It must be decided by active duty doctors while the SM is on active duty.

If anything the military use "temporary retirement" as further safeguard .

Many service members who meet the standards for PTSD, must return one year after their retirement date to have another psychiatric evaluation.

This is to see whether that service member still meets PTSD criteria.

The psychiatrist doing the temporary retirement evaluation can find the retired service member meets "retention standards" and are not entitled to any compensation for PTSD.

Furthermore, I'm not sure how it's done, but if the psychiatrist or other doctors conclude the retired SM is able to be deployed they can be deployed if needed
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The VA doesn't decide who receives compensation for service connected disabilities.

It is done before a service member leaves the military.As I said previously , there is the MEB Medical evaluation Board which decides if a service member has PTSD.

Once someone is out of the service, they may seek treatment for PTSD at a VA but cannot get a disability pension.

It must be decided by active duty doctors while the SM is on active duty.

If anything the military use "temporary retirement" as further safeguard .

Many service members who meet the standards for PTSD, must return one year after their retirement date to have another psychiatric evaluation.

This is to see whether that service member still meets PTSD criteria.

The psychiatrist doing the temporary retirement evaluation can find the retired service member meets "retention standards" and are not entitled to any compensation for PTSD.

Furthermore, I'm not sure how it's done, but if the psychiatrist or other doctors conclude the retired SM is able to be deployed they can be deployed if needed

You are incorrect sir,.... the VA has its own process for determination of compensation and retirement for service connected disabilities.
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From my experience you've some things going on that might confuse the issue, especially in the press and media.

Combat Stress. Anyone that deploys to a war zone is going to have some level of Combat Stress. It will vary, based on what type MOS and missions the individual was in and performed. Where in the country the person was stationed and what time frame during the war they were there.

Everyone's body reacts to combat stress differently. Everyone takes a varying amount of time to get over it. When we demobilized, they basically warned us that it could, and most likely would, take about 6-12 months for our bodies and minds to readjust to normal life. We'd have sleep problems, communication problems with family and friends etc.

Guess what, they were correct. I did not get a good nights sleep for close to 10 months. I'd fall asleep quickly, but within a couple hours I'd be wide awake. I'm a very low key guy, very even tempered. Yet for about 3-5 months I was snappish and prone to arguments. I was used to being in control and in charge......

After about 12 months, just like they told us, things basically started to fall back into the old pre-combat mode and that was that for me.

PTSD is NOT the same thing. One of the key elements is the 'T' Traumatic. An early post used the military term, 'stressor' You can pinpoint one, or many, specific events that happened for the service member. These events are what pushes it past 'combat stress' and into the much more serious PTSD.......
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