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Is PTSD more frequent in OIF and OEF

I believe PTSD is much more of problem for veterans and active duty service members than the public realizes . Does anyone have any thoughts on this topic.
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I believe PTSD is much more of problem for veterans and active duty service members than the public realizes . Does anyone have any thoughts on this topic.
I have pretty much come in control of my demons from PTSD from nearly being killed, however in all sorts of therapy while being still on active duty and through the VA, I have been in groups with people diagnosed with PTSD that never left Kuwait. So while it is a problem, I think it is possible it has been over diagnosed.
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PTSD embraced by Pop-Culture

It's a fad...
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I have PTSD and TBI .... if it's a fad I want a rebate and my life back.
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I have PTSD and TBI .... if it's a fad I want a rebate and my life back.
IMO, anyone with an infantry MOS who had at least 2 deployments has an 80%+ chance of having PTSD.

PTSD is no fad. The army tends to under diagnose it .

Just because an active duty service member has 3 instead of 4 symptoms from the "laundry lists" used to diagnose PTSD, doesn't mean that soldier doesn't suffer from PTSD.

The army under diagnoses it for obvious reasons. $$$$$

TBI is under diagnosed as well.
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This is based upon the vast amount of combat experience you have?


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I've seen people who had PTSD syndromes from almost routine every day things and I've seen people who went through real "movie stuff", near death experiences and really mind effecting duties (such as cleaning the inside of an APC from it's crews' remains) and walked out without a scratch, so far.

I think it has alot to do with your state of mind, some people just turn themselves off and fly auto pilot, they are less effected, some people just record everything they see- that can drive you wild.
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PTSD is real. Now, there are several levels of PTSD. I've known Vietnam veterans who were nonfunctional until they were treated. I've known a whole lot more who probably have "it" yet lead a very good and rewarding life by coping with it and not making it a big deal.

Have you ever had a nightmare from military experiences? If so do you have PTSD? If you answer yes then in all likelihood over 90% of combat veterans of all wars have had PTSD.
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PTSD is real. Now, there are several levels of PTSD. I've known Vietnam veterans who were nonfunctional until they were treated. I've known a whole lot more who probably have "it" yet lead a very good and rewarding life by coping with it and not making it a big deal.
For any war ever fought, the stress of combat, the sheer terror of the moment from either being wounded or seeing your buddies blown to bits, being captured, spending days trapped behind enemy lines, all have resulted in those survivors suffering varying degrees of PTSD.

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Have you ever had a nightmare from military experiences? Is so do you have PTSD? If you answer yes then in all likelihood over 90% of combat veterans off all wars have had PTSD.
Do you know someone that served in WW2, Korea, Vietnam, the Gulf war, and still refuse to talk about their experience or gets angry if you ask them about it? That is one form of PTSD.

Do you know a veteran that suffers nightmares, can't hold a job, becomes a drug addict or alcoholic, isolates himself from society, is abusive to family members, is suicidal, is in constant trouble with the law? That is another form that can be dangerous to both the veteran and others. Try to get them into professional help if at all possible.

Individuals, once they are able to talk about their experiences, including the nightmares that they have while sleeping, are the ones that will quickly recover to lead normal lives.

Every veteran, those involved in Public Safety, and those that became hostages or crime victims, are going to handle PTSD in a million different ways. Many of us* have been able to deal with it, without outside assistance, and return to a normal life. Others are so mentally wounded by the experience that recovery will become nearly impossible.

I don't think that it is any more frequent now then it ever was in the past. It is now that people have been made more aware that PTSD can be a serious issue faced by anyone that has experience a stressful life threatening situation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posttra...tress_disorder

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Nope.

Based on a couple of articles I posted links to the last time this subject came up.

Not that PTSD isn't real, I'd suspect it is.

But that has nothing to do with the over-active mental health industry catering to anyone who claims to have any sort of issue. According to those articles, the problem stems from American society, but of course the military is microcosm of said society.

For every couple of legit claims, you can bet there's someone just working the system. Just like it is "stateside."

That's all I meant by calling it a fad. It's the hip new thing people these days to have a mental illness, as well as money-hustle and route to cheap but powerful drugs.
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Post all the articles you want Paul, read what ever you want, write a few if articles you want. But you have the least idea in hell about what your talking about.

Anybody,ANYBODY that has come under fire has lived such stress. Was it enough to make them basket cases? NO! But enough to leave scares on the person none the less.

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Yea, I guess that is clear enough.
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Post all the articles you want Paul, read what ever you want, write a few if articles you want. But you have the least idea in hell about what your talking about.

Anybody,ANYBODY that has come under fire has lived such stress. Was it enough to make them basket cases? NO! But enough to leave scares on the person none the less.

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Yea, I guess that is clear enough.
Did you read my post?

I don't disagree with your point above at all.

But there are some in the media who have made a connection between the mental hypochondria fad and the upswing in PTSD numbers.

Take it for what it's worth.

And, for the record, I'll write my articles when I have some experience. That's the plan, Big Guy.
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C. Inside the mil, no outside interference any and all stress syndromes are taken seriously. People are treated and for the most part returned to duty. Usually in better condition than before. Finally, the mil respects these injuries just as much as the bullet wound.
The bullet wound heals, the others not so completely.

I was never in a fire fight, never fired my weapon in anger, never hit or killed anyone as far as I know. Howerver when some one starts tossing rockets and mortar rounds your way on a regular bases the pucker factor gets pretty high, regardless if your the target or not. Even that leaves it's mark on a person. At least it did on me. Do I wake up in cold sweats or have nightmares? No!
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Since it's a psych. thing, boundaries are alot harder to define.

What exactly is PTSD? what are it's syndromes?
This field is just shaping up now and seeing how it's a very delicate subject doctors seem to include more then what's right so no one will be left out.

It can get rather ironic, some people sue the military because they claim to have PTSD from very stressful mess duties and doctors back their claim up.
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Since it's a psych. thing, boundaries are alot harder to define.

What exactly is PTSD? what are it's syndromes?
This field is just shaping up now and seeing how it's a very delicate subject doctors seem to include more then what's right so no one will be left out.

It can get rather ironic, some people sue the military because they claim to have PTSD from very stressful mess duties and doctors back their claim up.
A wounded mind is much harder to diagnose and heal then a physical injury. Everyone reacts differently when exposed to the life threatening conditions that can trigger a PTSD reaction.

And, like Stolen Honor, there are always those impostors looking for a way to get attention to themselves and make a fast buck in the process.
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