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Wasn't it not all that long ago that another group was getting blamed for all the ills in the world?

They still are.They're called "Americans".
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Well put, Gixxer.
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...252587804.html

"A Haitian attorney says 10 Americans detained in Haiti for trying to take 33 children out of the country after the Jan. 12 earthquake have been charged with child kidnapping. Edwin Coq says the Americans also are charged with criminal association...."

Was a report on one of the 24/7 stations last night saying the ophanage itself had never actually gotten the papers to legally operate in Haiti. If in fact these folks came into Haiti and thought they could just set up shop and do what they wanted with Haitian children, they deserve a nice long stay in Haitian jails. The fact that the kids may have been better off is completely irrelevant. You can't just go into another country and start doing what you want with their children without all the required permissions and licensing.
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I'm kind of surprised that the Haitians are taking it this far.Of course these people were very foolish,but I expected tyhe Haitians to drop it with a stern warning issued by both the US and Haitian governments against anyone else trying to do something like that.
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The Preachers Shouldn't have done it to me it seems like a violation of Haiti's Sovergnty.

That Said we need to help out who we can get a (hopefully) decent government stabilized than pull the heck out of their as Many of our own countries have financial problems right now.

The Main Effort should see its peak soon with it's refugee camps being on their way to built. from there they can be picked by any willing country, or stay and help out their own country. Help the Government make some plans for the future (housing development, maybe a child policy).

With a Stable Ground Floor Let Haiti finish it's job while we save our fuel money and supplies for our own economy and investments.
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Well the missionaries definitely hosed up big time. However kicking them out of the country with a stern warning would have been sufficient. Kidnapping charges and "criminal association" whatever the hell that means to the Hatian legal system, I second Gixxer, these guys are putting on a show to try to convince the world that they really are in charge. Petty. The missionaries were stupid but they can have their stupid selves kicked back to the US. Making a big deal is just going to cause havoc and draw attention away from where it needs to be.
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The missionaries were stupid but they can have their stupid selves kicked back to the US. Making a big deal is just going to cause havoc and draw attention away from where it needs to be.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Haitians see a drop off in aid donations as a result of this.

I have to admit,there's a part of me that thinks that some Marines or Paratroopers need to make a visit to this prison and make a "withdrawal".But then again,I don't have any respect for Haitian "soveriegnty".Especially with all the money we are wasting on that hell hole.If the Haitians really want to impress anyone,they could try and recapture the thousands of murderers,rapists and thieves that escaped from the prison these missionary knuckleheads are now being held in.
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I wouldn't be surprised if the Haitians see a drop off in aid donations as a result of this.

I have to admit,there's a part of me that thinks that some Marines or Paratroopers need to make a visit to this prison and make a "withdrawal".But then again,I don't have any respect for Haitian "soveriegnty".Especially with all the money we are wasting on that hell hole.If the Haitians really want to impress anyone,they could try and recapture the thousands of murderers,rapists and thieves that escaped from the prison these missionary knuckleheads are now being held in.
With only 2000 police in Port Au Prince and roughly 3000 escaped gang members that would have been a tough ask even if there hadnt been a bloody great earthquake.
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I wonder if the harrassed Hatian police on the border had any way to check the credentials of the 'missionarys'. Stories about child trafficking and modern slavery overlap legitimate law enforcement communications and documentation for those crimes. Which the Htian police are aware of. So a handfull of tired and overwhelmed police at a border station encounter some foriegners, some of whom may have been arrogant pricks, with a bus load of undocumented children. Its unlikely their supervisors had any practical way to check out the story in a reasonable ammount of time, and forget a magistrate or court being able to deal with this according to international law before the six oclock news comes on.

There was one news story stating the Hatian police offered to turn the mission group over the US law enforcement. Is it correct, and were they taken up on the offer?
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Well,the plot thickens!It seems that nine of the ten were really just stupid.It seems this Laura Silsby woman knew what she was doing.
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I wonder if the harrassed Hatian police on the border had any way to check the credentials of the 'missionarys'. Stories about child trafficking and modern slavery overlap legitimate law enforcement communications and documentation for those crimes. Which the Htian police are aware of. So a handfull of tired and overwhelmed police at a border station encounter some foriegners, some of whom may have been arrogant pricks, with a bus load of undocumented children. Its unlikely their supervisors had any practical way to check out the story in a reasonable ammount of time, and forget a magistrate or court being able to deal with this according to international law before the six oclock news comes on.

There was one news story stating the Hatian police offered to turn the mission group over the US law enforcement. Is it correct, and were they taken up on the offer?
No one is criticizing the Hatian police picking these people up. If I was in that situation I would have done the same thing. What is being criticized is the political circus that followed.
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Would you sing the same if one of the children was your own?
Well in the case of these children apparantly the parents gave consent, which is also apparantly against Haitian law.
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Strange bedfellows

http://www.smh.com.au/world/haiti-ca...0214-nzer.html
Makes you wonder what the real reason was that they were taking the children out of Haiti...
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Makes you wonder what the real reason was that they were taking the children out of Haiti...
There is obviously a pattern here.....these missionaries are perhaps not who they appear to be?
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The plot sickens yet again!I don't know about a pattern though.I still feel that the nine missionaries are basically innocent.But this Silsby woman may be involved in much deeper shenanigans.However,the relationship of this "legal advisor" to the missionaries may not be what it seems.Maybe he just decided to "champion" their cause and the missionaries didn't know who he was or what he's accused of.Did these people ask for his help,or did he come to them offering his help?
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