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Old 20 Jan 10, 04:33
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Haiti is finished

Haiti does not have any local resources to deal with a disaster of the magnitude. It doesn't have the educational achievement and job skills in its population, it doesn't have the funds, it doesn't have stocks of any resources.

So unless Haiti is annexed by a country like the United States so that American taxpayers clothe, educate and medicate Haitians for the next 100 years, there's nothing that can be done. The international aid will provide limited immediate relief but the stocks of foods and medicines will be used up quickly. A majority of the countries that pledged aids will lose their enthusiasm in the coming weeks after the immediate search and rescue is completed.

I don't know what this utter catastrophe can be compared to, perhaps a total nuclear war with 1500 megatons detonated over the country like in a hypothesized exchange between NATO and USSR in Europe.
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Why not have the Dominicans take over?
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Haiti can become a Canadian territory

Her Excellency Michaelle Jean, the Governor-General of Canada, Commander in Chief of the Canadian Armed Forces, etc, was born in Haiti. Thus she will make a suitable figure-head to unite our countries.

Since Canada will soon be ending its combat mission in Afghanistan, it should have some available troops in order to provide security.

Additionally Haiti is already the second-largest receiver of Canadian foreign aid (after A-stan), so we have more experience then most in the country.

By having Canada take over instead of the USA, the US can avoid any international irrational fears of an "American Empire", while at the same being secure in the knowledge that the nation will under the watchful eye of their :closest" ally (Yes, Britain may be a bigger military ally, but Canada is still the US's largest trading partner, shares a massive border, has experience with integrated operations with US forces, and is right next door [so we're geographically closer ])

Haiti will be under the watchful eye of the nation (Canada) which has the best overall economic situation out of the G8 nations following the recent economic crash.

One of Haiti's official languages is French (the other is Haitian Creole). Canada has two official languages: English and French. Military officers, most government officials, etc never mind all the Francophones will thus not have the sort of language barrier in communicating with Haitian officials.

Canada has a significant (100,000) Haitian community, so there are already many ties between the two nations.

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A U.N. envoy in October 2007 found racism against blacks in general, and Haitians in particular, to be rampant in every segment of Dominican society.

The Dominican Republic really lacks the resources necessary to take care of Haiti, even if they wanted to.
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Haitian diaspora
Millions of Haitians live abroad, chiefly in North America: the Dominican Republic, United States, Cuba, Canada (primarily Montreal) and Bahamas. They live in other nations like France, French Antilles, the Turks and Caicos, Venezuela and French Guiana.

In the United States alone there are an estimated 600,000 Haitians,[85] plus 100,000 in Canada[86] and an estimated 800,000 in the Dominican Republic.[87] The Haitian community in France numbers about 80,000,[88] and up to 80,000 Haitians now live in the Bahamas.[89] A U.N. envoy in October 2007 found racism against blacks in general, and Haitians in particular, to be rampant in every segment of Dominican society.[90] The Obama administration has made Haiti a priority in the hemisphere, reviewing immigration policy.[91]

In January 2010, Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper announced that Canada will consider fast-tracking immigration to help Haitian earthquake refugees.[92] U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano announced that the estimated 100,000 to 200,000 Haitians "not legally in the United States" as of January 12, 2010, would be granted a form of asylum called temporary protected status (TPS).[93] Thousands of Haiti earthquake survivors, including Haitian children left orphaned in the aftermath of earthquake, could be relocated to the United States.[94] Senegal is offering parcels of land Ė even an entire region if they come en masse Ė to people affected by the earthquake in Haiti.[95]
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Is this joke?
In human history there were even larger catastrophes and disasters, but people lived further even without international aids etc.
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Is this joke?
In human history there were even larger catastrophes and disasters, but people lived further even without international aids etc.
Americans or Europeans will rebuild from a disaster of this magnitude but the Haitians won't. I don't know what will emerge in Haiti but I don't believe the country will be reconstructed from the bottom up. Those people are facing a Robinson Crusoe lifestyle for decades...
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Those people are facing a Robinson Crusoe lifestyle for decades...
70% of the population survived on subsistence farming even before the quake. I doubt a Robinson Crusoe lifestyle is something new for them.
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When your cultural influences are first Sub-Saharan Africa, and then the worst aspects of the Ancien Regime (as if there was anything particularly good about it), how far can you go. And while no one is saying it publicly, Haiti is an African nation in the Western Hemisphere even more than the US and Canada are European countries in the Western Hemisphere, and if I were racist, the difference between Haiti and the D.R. in skin tone and poverty would confirm my own worst predjudices. Now the problem of cource is Haitian culture, which has no useful virtues. If we want to help Haiti, the eraditcation of it's culture in toto is neccessary. Not going to happen though. No long term benefit can come by helping Haitian earthquake victims, and that's why I won't give a dime to the effort.
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When your cultural influences are first Sub-Saharan Africa, and then the worst aspects of the Ancien Regime (as if there was anything particularly good about it), how far can you go. And while no one is saying it publicly, Haiti is an African nation in the Western Hemisphere even more than the US and Canada are European countries in the Western Hemisphere, and if I were racist, the difference between Haiti and the D.R. in skin tone and poverty would confirm my own worst predjudices. Now the problem of cource is Haitian culture, which has no useful virtues. If we want to help Haiti, the eraditcation of it's culture in toto is neccessary. Not going to happen though. No long term benefit can come by helping Haitian earthquake victims, and that's why I won't give a dime to the effort.
As soon as the survivors recover from the earthquake shock, they will be copulating in the privacy of UN-supplied tents making babies who have no future and no chance to contribute anything valuable to the country. Do you believe they will roll up their sleeves and proceed to clean up rubble and rebuild their cities from nothing like the Germans in the wake of WWII? They need to take it easy, it's back-breaking work.
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I don't know about 'finished'

They'll just go back to having nothing which is about what they had before.
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After reading this I have very little confidence Haiti can ever improve. The talented and resourceful have already left. Haiti is a failed state that may be beyond hope.
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I canít speak for Haiti but when I was in the Navy we stopped at one of those little islands (St. Lucia I think, it has been 28 years) months after a hurricane had gone through. I volunteered to help set up tents at a village and when we got there there were still books on the ground from where the library had lost itís roof during the storm.
We in the crew were also the only ones putting up tents or doing anything that resembled clean up or rebuilding.
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Haiti was nothing more for French than giant slave powered plantation and it's broken too soon from Empire to amend this. It was always undone country living from foreign handouts and money from diaspora so this is nothing new. I'm not suprised that Barack Hussein Obama and his slavedrivers party wants 200 000 more welfare clients and voters but I'm suprised Harper wants to empower Candian far right. USA was suposed to be broke anyway so why not ask Chinese, Japanese or some oil rich muslim country to contribute more in money not to mention allowing Haitans in.
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What state leaded even by marginally sane people would really want take over Haiti?
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