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50,000 May Be Dead In Haiti

Red Cross: 50,000 May Be Dead In Haiti

January 14, 2010
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Planeloads of search-and-rescue teams, medics and supplies were trickling into the devastated capital of Port-au-Prince, but the aid pipeline remains agonizingly slow. U.S. officials said Thursday that they had to suspend all civilian flights from the United States to Haiti for several hours because there was not enough room on the ground for more planes and limited jet fuel for planes to fly back. Aid flights have resumed, but other charter flights remained on hold.
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It will be a miracle if only 50,000 are dead. Some guess-timates were running 200,000 to 300,000.
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It will be a miracle if only 50,000 are dead. Some guess-timates were running 200,000 to 300,000.
Agreed. That might even be a low figure
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Agreed. That might even be a low figure
Agreed as well sadly

Remember that Haiti does not enforce building codes so construction contractors can use shoody material and cut corners and of course the buildings are not ment to withstand 7.0 scale hurricanes. The fact that it's a 3rd world country with poor emergency response, internal security/law enforcement, and medical services does not help either.

As much as I hate to say it, I fear even 100,000 might be a low #
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I have 1 question. I'm wondering, how come everybody is rushing to help Haiti?
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Hard to tell. What may actually be good news is that most of the single family housing units in the city are such poor material that you could actually have the entire thing collapse on top of you without serious injury. The mid range multistory buildings appear to have been the most dangerous. Concrete slab but not reinforced so you could have several tons of concrete falling on you. The original number may be dwarfed if they do not get water distribution on a large scale soon.

Logistics gateways seem to be a major problem. The airport has such limited off runway parking that it severely limits the number of aircraft that can be landed, unloaded and turned around. Especially civilian transport coming in that aren't rigged for rapid unloading. Even after unloading there is a problem with stagging area for supplies and security. From what I have seen most stuff brought in during the first 24 hours and dumped was looted or destroyed. If the marines load in Lejuene tommorrow thats what three steaming days to Haiti.

As I said in another thread, the US military is the only organization in the world that can stage the logistical requirements but it may take a week to get a decent system up and operating.

With many folks fleeing to the country we may never know how many really died.
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I have 1 question. I'm wondering, how come everybody is rushing to help Haiti?
It's what human beings do for eachother.
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It's what human beings do for eachother.
The question was not worth an answer. What a sad human being.
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I have 1 question. I'm wondering, how come everybody is rushing to help Haiti?
Aside from the reason posted by GCoyote, which is the most significant motive, there are political and strategical implications that dictate a strong response. These include:
  • I think the public demand it. Natural disasters can strike anywhere at any time. We are all vulnerable, and want to help and hope to be helped;
  • World powers would lose significant prestige by doing nothing. Smaller nations who have in the past, currently are, and/or will benefit from international assistance would also look bad;
  • Countries like the US and France (among others) have already established their interest in Haiti in past efforts and interventions.

There are additional implications for the US. This crisis could make the Haitian Refugee Crisis of the 1990's look like a picnic. The strain it could place on local, state, and even national resources could exceed a relief effort on site.
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It's what human beings do for eachother.
Really? That's weird, because I thought they fight, nothing else.

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The question was not worth an answer. What a sad human being.
Jumping on conclusions, aren't you?

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Aside from the reason posted by GCoyote, which is the most significant motive, there are political and strategical implications that dictate a strong response. These include:
  • I think the public demand it. Natural disasters can strike anywhere at any time. We are all vulnerable, and want to help and hope to be helped;
  • World powers would lose significant prestige by doing nothing. Smaller nations who have in the past, currently are, and/or will benefit from international assistance would also look bad;
  • Countries like the US and France (among others) have already established their interest in Haiti in past efforts and interventions.

There are additional implications for the US. This crisis could make the Haitian Refugee Crisis of the 1990's look like a picnic. The strain it could place on local, state, and even national resources could exceed a relief effort on site.
Thank you for the well written response. Indeed, it seems that there must be various benefits from invading Haiti. It is strange, that with all those huge numbers of ads everywhere, media bomboardments and stuff, it definitely seems suspicious.

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You're right

It's just a cover up to establish a secret mind-control program using Haitians as unsuspecting test subjects.

Somebody slap me. Please.
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Really? That's weird, because I thought they fight, nothing else.

Jumping on conclusions, aren't you?

Thank you for the well written response. Indeed, it seems that there must be various benefits from invading Haiti. It is strange, that with all those huge numbers of ads everywhere, media bomboardments and stuff, it definitely seems suspicious.
Yeah, all the volunteers and payed emergency service people that save lives everyday have an ulterior motive.....

What did you think when the Boxing Day Tsunami occurred, killing nearly 230,000 people in fourteen countries! Was Australia justified in sending @ 1 billion dollars in aid to the effected countries?
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It's just a cover up to establish a secret mind-control program using Haitians as unsuspecting test subjects.
Finally...someone with the courage to admit the truth.....

and now...I will go back to wearing my tin-foil hat....
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Yeah?
Okay, maybe the Democrats want to annex Haiti.

Just imagine how many dead people they could get to vote for them in that place!
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