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Old 18 Jan 10, 10:18
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First off, I must congratulate all of the members on the forum for their positive contributions to Haiti. The generosity of your nation does you all proud.

Just to show that even us third world, backwards, bankrupt, crime ridden, animal infested cesspool countries can also do our (admittedly small) bit, here are some links.

http://www.timeslive.co.za/news/article259058.ece
http://www.mg.co.za/article/2010-01-...er-haiti-quake
http://www.eyewitnessnews.co.za/arti....aspx?id=30507

A million rand is useless, we could have contributed a lot more than that, but our independent aid organisations are far more effective and generous than that. However, I must add that the first aid organisation to spring into action, as they do every time, is a muslim aligned charity.

Anyway, we also foot the bill for the previous president who lives here now and was refused entry back into Haiti after the quake, so we have to take that into account.
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Let me know when any Muslim/Arab country offers aid.

Oh, Jordan did lose some Peacekeepers.
heres the list of some of the largest international donors from the Hurricane Katrina disaster...

Kuwait made the largest single pledge, $500 million; other large donations were made by Qatar and United Arab Emirates (each $100 million), South Korea ($30 million), Australia ($10 million), India, China (both $5 million), New Zealand ($2 million),[114] Pakistan ($1.5 million),[115] and Bangladesh ($1 million).[116]

Saudi Arabia continues to be among the top (if not THE top 5 GDP wise) international donors of any nation in the world, albeit the majority of their aid comes in the form of Mosque construction and other items related to the spread and support of islam.

sorry, no link for that SA tidbit but Katrina stats are from Wiki...
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heres the list of some of the largest international donors from the Hurricane Katrina disaster...

Kuwait made the largest single pledge, $500 million; other large donations were made by Qatar and United Arab Emirates (each $100 million), South Korea ($30 million), Australia ($10 million), India, China (both $5 million), New Zealand ($2 million),[114] Pakistan ($1.5 million),[115] and Bangladesh ($1 million).[116]

Saudi Arabia continues to be among the top (if not THE top 5 GDP wise) international donors of any nation in the world, albeit the majority of their aid comes in the form of Mosque construction and other items related to the spread and support of islam.

sorry, no link for that SA tidbit but Katrina stats are from Wiki...



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sorry, no link for that SA tidbit but Katrina stats are from Wiki...
Gift of the Givers is based here in SA, and like I said is Muslim based, but they do a fair share of charity work here and abroad.

http://www.giftofthegivers.org/about-us/overview.html
http://www.giftofthegivers.org/

Also, like I said, the first ones to start sending aid to haiti was these chaps, and apparently that was worth ten million rand, whilst our government donates one million rand. Not so strange for Africa though, funnily enough.
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The title of this thread being 'The Politics of Aid' I must comment on what I have been seeing in the news media here in Thailand. There are many Middle East stations broadcasting here as well as throughout S. Asia and I was incensed at the blatant misrepresentation of the United States' military and it efforts in the Haiti disaster by these broadcasters. The disparaging reports center on the U.S. spending more time delivering support and logistical supplies for its own troops use and not providing for the immediate needs of the Haitian victims. Furthermore the motives of the military presence were questioned; was the U.S. there to set up a military/puppet government and insinuate political dominance in the wake of the disaster? This opinionated stinking pile of crap is indicative of how some of the United States best efforts are viewed by those who would stoop to any level to disparage the United States. It is truly pathetic and I am ashamed for human kind.
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This opinionated stinking pile of crap is indicative of how some of the United States best efforts are viewed by those who would stoop to any level to disparage the United States. It is truly pathetic and I am ashamed for human kind.

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Then, next time, let's NOT.

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I agree on the concepts of sea control and littoral combat but dedicating a segment of our Navy to humanitarian efforts is a bad idea.

The purpose of a Navy is to protect our interests. If we dedicate a portion of our military to humanitarian efforts we will become the world's emergency first responder as well as the world's policeman. A disaster like Haiti requires the commitment of the every nation . That is one reason the United Nations was created in the first place.

The United States can and should provide aid to the Haitian people . We should however expect other wealthy nations to provide proportional aid as well. I don't want the United States to be the world's EMS worker as well as the world's policeman. We just can't afford it anymore.
Only the US military is capable of staging the logistics necessary for a large humanitarian response, no other organization on the planet has the force projection capacity for that. In that sense no matter what they think of us, we are the essential player in any large scale effort.

Not arguing a specialized mission build force as force projection and support forces are perfect for humanitarian mission. Just implies force redundancy. Currently we have that, but for several years now there have been debates going on in Naval Institute Proceedings about narrow the US focus to only brown water missions, cutting force redundancy, etc. Frankly what we do in places like Indonesia and Haiti on humanitarian mission does as much if not more for national security that what we do in CenCom.
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We have a 3 fleet navy.

The numbered fleet commanders are required to function as Joint Task Force (JTF) commanders when a JTF has been established. When acting as JTF commanders, they report directly to USCINCPAC or USCINCLANT. The Navy is currently organized into five fleets:

Second Fleet - in the Atlantic.
Third Fleet - in the Eastern Pacific.
Fifth Fleet - in the Arabian Gulf and Indian Ocean..
Sixth Fleet - in the Mediterranean.
Seventh Fleet - in the Western Pacific.
That's five fleets, Einstein. Count them yourself.
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That's five fleets, Einstein. Count them yourself.
Give him a break. He was IIRC in the USAF. What does he really know- or care- about ships unless he was on carriers in a naval aviator outfit or needed a crash pad in a hurry?
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Naval Aviation would be aghast at the thought of having the (ch)Air Force (couldn't resist the jibe) flying off of their decks. Heck, they barely put up with Marine Aviation, and we've been working together since the very beginning.

That said, the US military does not need to build some humanitarian fleet bull. If it was wanted that badly, the UN should have taken some of the trillions of dollars they've wasted since 1946 and built a humanitarian fleet of their own. But no, they prefer to give money to tinpot dictators, insult the US, and generally prove themselves useless. Lack of planning on their part does not constitute an additional expense, or emergency, on our part.
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That's five fleets, Einstein. Count them yourself.
Dippy misses it yet again. IF we have 5 then we have 3 we also have 1 through 5. IF you have $10 in your pocket do you have $1 as well or $5? Try again Mountain Mouth, now you go back on to the list. were your mountain moronics belong.
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Again, for those that suggest we sit back, watch people die and do nothing: May you never need saving.

Again, I believe in karma.

And again, like sgnsteve, yes, all the negative posts on these kind of threads depress me.

If Haiti is not worth helping, mankind is not worth saving.
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Dippy misses it yet again. IF we have 5 then we have 3 we also have 1 through 5. IF you have $10 in your pocket do you have $1 as well or $5? Try again Mountain Mouth, now you go back on to the list. were your mountain moronics belong.
Tsk...task...does your mother know you talk like that?

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Again, for those that suggest we sit back, watch people die and do nothing: May you never need saving.

Again, I believe in karma.

And again, like sgnsteve, yes, all the negative posts on these kind of threads depress me.

If Haiti is not worth helping, mankind is not worth saving.
The issue is more about how much saving Haiti is going to need, and what our "obligation" is when our nation's economy is circling the drain.
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