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The US Military only makes headlines when they are shooting. Much of the day to day aid that they provide 3rd world country's is seldom heard of, unless you have access to mil channels.

Check out US Africa Command for examples or the training aid missions in Africa.
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The US Military only makes headlines when they are shooting. Much of the day today aid that they provide 3rd world country's is seldom heard of, unless you have access to mil channels.

Check out USAfrica Command for example Ns or the training aid missions in Africa.
an excellent point-reminder and cudo overdue.


ntl. it will be ignored in the large part; by the liberal-socialist, anti-mil, crowd, here and abroad.

especially by the islamophiles and their proxies.

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an excellent point-reminder and cudo overdue.


ntl. it will be ignored in the large part; by the liberal-socialist, anti-mil, crowd, here and abroad.

especially by the islamophiles and their proxies.

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Let me know when any Muslim/Arab country offers aid.

Oh, Jordan did lose some Peacekeepers.
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This is one of those occasions where everyone needs to do whatever they can to help.

The disaster in Haiti may rival the 2004 tsunami in sheer human suffering.
Caution! Donate ONLY to those charities that have a solid reputation for providing aid such as the American or International Red Cross.

Don't give anything to the Government of Haiti, Don't give anything to solicitation for money in the name of the Haiti disaster. Very little, if any of that money will get used to provide any help.

Haiti is a classic example of how an oppressive Government has ruined its economy to create needless suffering of its people. That government is now in ruins along with the people. The coordinated effort needs to be sure that this aid goes to the needy and not the thugs that will be trying to take advantage of the disaster for their own personal gain. Therefore, it is a good thing that our military has gone in in order to provide the security and temporary infrastructure needed so this aid can quickly get to the people that need it and save lives in the process.
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I just moved all of the political comments to a single thread.

I figure if we can keep the politics in one place it will be easier to navigate through the situation updates and legitimate discussions of providing aid.

We're doing this on the fly so please bear with us.
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Actaully right now is a great example of why we need a three fleet navy. There is a lot of debate as to whether we should be focusing on sea control or litoral combat (i.e. blue water versus brown water) Reality is we need:
1. Sea control right now the other two significant blue water fleets are British and French and sea control is not seen as that important. Given current plans in ten years they will have significantly down scaled and the Russian and Chinese will have effective blue water fleets. Sea control will be important again.
2. Littoral combat, projecting forces ashore, supporting land forces and control in land waterways is obviously critical in our current wars and any similar wars.
3. What Haiti points up is the need for humanitarian operations as well. These days we have fleet assets committed to this more often than not and it is one of the best things we can do to support positive world view of US.
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ntl. it will be ignored in the large part; by the liberal-socialist, anti-mil, crowd, here and abroad.



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Actaully right now is a great example of why we need a three fleet navy. There is a lot of debate as to whether we should be focusing on sea control or litoral combat (i.e. blue water versus brown water) Reality is we need:
1. Sea control right now the other two significant blue water fleets are British and French and sea control is not seen as that important. Given current plans in ten years they will have significantly down scaled and the Russian and Chinese will have effective blue water fleets. Sea control will be important again.
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3. What Haiti points up is the need for humanitarian operations as well. These days we have fleet assets committed to this more often than not and it is one of the best things we can do to support positive world view of US.
We have a 3 fleet navy.

The numbered fleet commanders are required to function as Joint Task Force (JTF) commanders when a JTF has been established. When acting as JTF commanders, they report directly to USCINCPAC or USCINCLANT. The Navy is currently organized into five fleets:

Second Fleet - in the Atlantic.
Third Fleet - in the Eastern Pacific.
Fifth Fleet - in the Arabian Gulf and Indian Ocean..
Sixth Fleet - in the Mediterranean.
Seventh Fleet - in the Western Pacific.
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Let me know when any Muslim/Arab country offers aid.

Oh, Jordan did lose some Peacekeepers.

Mr. half pint.

Yes, well if you buy this then here's your response; in this case from the G20.

Ntl, that was not the point i was making as you possibly noted, but i understand the pain.

http://en.rian.ru/world/20100114/157549984.html

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Actaully right now is a great example of why we need a three fleet navy. There is a lot of debate as to whether we should be focusing on sea control or litoral combat (i.e. blue water versus brown water) Reality is we need:
1. Sea control right now the other two significant blue water fleets are British and French and sea control is not seen as that important. Given current plans in ten years they will have significantly down scaled and the Russian and Chinese will have effective blue water fleets. Sea control will be important again.
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3. What Haiti points up is the need for humanitarian operations as well. These days we have fleet assets committed to this more often than not and it is one of the best things we can do to support positive world view of US.

I agree on the concepts of sea control and littoral combat but dedicating a segment of our Navy to humanitarian efforts is a bad idea.

The purpose of a Navy is to protect our interests. If we dedicate a portion of our military to humanitarian efforts we will become the world's emergency first responder as well as the world's policeman. A disaster like Haiti requires the commitment of the every nation . That is one reason the United Nations was created in the first place.

The United States can and should provide aid to the Haitian people . We should however expect other wealthy nations to provide proportional aid as well. I don't want the United States to be the world's EMS worker as well as the world's policeman. We just can't afford it anymore.
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I don't think we really need dedicated disaster response assets.

IMO it would be very hard to design a ship better suited to disaster relief than a big amphibious warfare ship is now. That could be one of the reasons so many countries are aquiring them. Extremely flexible vessels.
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I may be wrong but, I think there are contingency sections of the Defense appropriations set aside for this (humanitarian) type of mission. They may just re-appropriate National Guard funding.
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IMO it would be very hard to design a ship better suited to disaster relief than a big amphibious warfare ship is now. That could be one of the reasons so many countries are aquiring them. Extremely flexible vessels.
You're right. As military vessels go, nothing would suit disaster relief better. LPH's are almost perfect for this type of thing. You would need to be able to operate ACV's also.
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