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Supposedly my old MOS is now authorized to wear Wings. The Wings are the same as crewmen or pilots. The MOS was with in the 93H&J fields of ATC which is now 15Q iirc. According to this I would be authorized to wear the same wings as a Master Aviator. I feel very uncomfortable of wearing those wings as the requirements are so much different.

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Don't know if it is comparable but I am glad that I got out before the switch to black berets for the regular headgear. I would have felt too much like a ranger wanna be. Admittedly this is not to the degree as something special like wings but I think it gives me an indication of how you feel about wearing what you don't feel was earned.
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yeah that is weird . The first time I saw them I said to my friend damn the Rangers are taking everybody and then he said nah man they are R/A headgear now. I had the baseball cap and the woodland rounder with the **** cutter for class A
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Supposedly my old MOS is now authorized to wear Wings. The Wings are the same as crewmen or pilots. The MOS was with in the 93H&J fields of ATC which is now 15Q iirc. According to this I would be authorized to wear the same wings as a Master Aviator. I feel very uncomfortable of wearing those wings as the requirements are so much different.

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If you are talking Army aviation,The aircraft crewmans badge{wings}is different than a pilots.I received my aircraft crewmans badge after being assigned as a gunner/crewchief,with flight pay.
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what do you wear your full dress uniform for these days John?

I don't know about the wings, but you are entitled to wear the Vietnamese Cross of Gallantry and I hope that you choose to do so!
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If you are talking Army aviation,The aircraft crewmans badge{wings}is different than a pilots.I received my aircraft crewmans badge after being assigned as a gunner/crewchief,with flight pay.
The way I read the reg I would be autorized to wear Master Aviator Wings due to time in the MOS. That does not sit well with me.

Missy, the last time I had Greens on was in 86. I would need a couple of tnets sizes bigger today.

As far as the VCG, I have it pinned to the side of my Steelers baseball cap. Which I wear on a regular bases.
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Don't know if it is comparable but I am glad that I got out before the switch to black berets for the regular headgear. I would have felt too much like a ranger wanna be. Admittedly this is not to the degree as something special like wings but I think it gives me an indication of how you feel about wearing what you don't feel was earned.
I have, since joining the R.M.A. discovered that all RMs now wear the green beret,which most of my comrades in the R.M.A. wear but in my day in the RM the green beret was oinly worn by Commando and despite having served in the Combined Operations on L/C, followed by an infantry Batt: my beret was always navy blue with a red flash beneath the badge. I now refuse to wear the green beret for in my book I am not entitled to wear it!! Had some difficulty in finding a N/blue but eventually was successful.
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Half Pint, I respect how you feel and I wouldn't worry about it too much because things change a lot down the years. I had to have 25 flight hours as a crewchief before I got mine (took about a week). You guys were part of us anyway.

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Half Pint, I respect how you feel and I wouldn't worry about it too much because things change a lot down the years. I had to have 25 flight hours as a crewchief before I got mine (took about a week). You guys were part of us anyway.

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Master Aviation Badge

For award of this badge, an individual must either successfully perform 15 years on flight status (physically qualified-class III) in a principal duty assignment as described in AR 600-016. Soldiers in career management fields (CMF) 67 or 93, including all 68 series MOS’, Warrant Officers MOS’ 150A and 151A and individuals in MOS 00Z from a (CMF) 67 or 93 field, may qualify for the Master Aviation Badge with 17 years of experience and meet the following criteria:

(1) Only time involving frequent and regular flights will be counted toward fulfillment of this requirement, except that time involved in transit between PCS assignments, to include TDY, will also be credited.

(2) Soldiers that retain (CMF) 67 or 93 while performing career progressive assignments, especially duties as Drill Sergeant, Recruiter, Career Management NCO, Career Advisor, Instructor or Equal Opportunity Advisor will be counted towards this requirement not to exceed 36 months. Warrant Officer MOS 150A and 151A may qualify for this badge after successfully performing 15 years on flight status or 17 years experience in (CMF) 67 or 93 or MOS 150A and 151A. Prior enlisted (CMF) 67 time may count with MOS 151A experience and (CMF) 93 time may count with MOS 150A experience to fulfill this requirement.

Retroactive date. The retroactive date for the badge under this revised criteria is 1 January 1976. The retroactive date for (CMF) 93, Warrant Officer MOS’ 150A and 151A and individuals in MOS 00Z is 1 February 1982. Soldiers holding (CMF) 93, MOS 93D, prior to 30 Sep 96 and MOS 93B, prior to 1 January 1998, may qualify for the ward of the Senior Aviation Badge based on documented experience.

I come under the CMF 93. Still haven't added it to my collection.
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Supposedly my old MOS is now authorized to wear Wings. The Wings are the same as crewmen or pilots. The MOS was with in the 93H&J fields of ATC which is now 15Q iirc. According to this I would be authorized to wear the same wings as a Master Aviator. I feel very uncomfortable of wearing those wings as the requirements are so much different.

What are your opinions?

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In one sense, i also am not comfortable with this upgrading of the reg to garner credit for every skill speciality that has served; especially since 91. I'm caught between the old timer attitudes for example; of earning the CIB vs. the now awarding of a CAB. Much of this, i feel, is still even decades, later, an attempt to assuage the dis-honorable attitude directed towards Vietnam and Era Vets. Much of it may be a recruitment tool even though this will be vigoursly denied by the DOD. When one considers that men who served for thirty plus years in the 1870-1900's during many a grand and great campaign didn't recieve any formal recognition until years later, one wonders.

Certainly awards and decortions are eons old in their ability to enhance and gratify the morale of the troops. But when is enough, enough. I can't say.

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It is refreshing to see people who do not want to minimize the effort required to obtain awards/qualifications. Too often it is the opposite, when people want to be rewarded handsomely for minimal effort. Inspiring thread!
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Once was assigned to a unit that had earned several Unit Citations. I also was uncomfortable wearing the ribbon and did not until the wing commander notice, after that I WORE the ribbon.
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In one sense, i also am not comfortable with this upgrading of the reg to garner credit for every skill speciality that has served; especially since 91. I'm caught between the old timer attitudes for example; of earning the CIB vs. the now awarding of a CAB. Much of this, i feel, is still even decades, later, an attempt to assuage the dis-honorable attitude directed towards Vietnam and Era Vets. Much of it may be a recruitment tool even though this will be vigoursly denied by the DOD. When one considers that men who served for thirty plus years in the 1870-1900's during many a grand and great campaign didn't recieve any formal recognition until years later, one wonders.

Certainly awards and decortions are eons old in their ability to enhance and gratify the morale of the troops. But when is enough, enough. I can't say.

Thanks.
My CMF fought for years for some sort of special recognition such as the AF has for their ATCer'. Why? I don't know. The little piece of tin well not change one bit what I did or who I am. It might impress others but it sure as h well not impress me. I quit trying to impress others along time ago.
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what do you wear your full dress uniform for these days John?

I don't know about the wings, but you are entitled to wear the Vietnamese Cross of Gallantry and I hope that you choose to do so!
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Thank you for the VCG info. I never heard about GO 8. Evidently the VCG was awarded to most, if not all, serving in country from 1962-73 Here's the link for anyone interested.

http://www.army.mil/usapa/epubs/pdf/go7408.pdf

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CCWO, just remember it is the unit citation version of the VCG, i.e., with the gold frame around it, no medal, and not the individual award VCG award, which does include a medal.
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