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South Ossetian Conflict Discuss the conflict between Georgia and Russia over South Ossetia.

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Open letter to the Vice-President of the United States Mr. Joseph Biden

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Open letter to the Vice-President of the United States Mr. Joseph Biden

27 July 2009

English:
http://www.abkhazworld.com/headlines...-to-biden.html

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http://www.mfaabkhazia.org/news1/ann...ozefu_bajdenu/
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no mention of the ethnical cleansing perpetrated by Abkhaz with the aid of Shamil Basayev and a very strange basically racist notion that Georgians are unfit for democracy plus a whole host of other looney notions (like the US using Saakashvili for anything).

What's even more strange is that the letter is unsigned.
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There's a lot of festering hatred for each other. Until each side cede the notions for revenge, nothing will change.
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PP(est) I have seen much worse then that here, concerning Russians for example. It is something we will have to learn to live with.


OT: Are the Estonian winter uniform any good? Do you know?
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That was not a forum posting, but supposedly some serious address.

Erkki, I've never used our newer models. The winter coat I've used was pretty ok, but nothing special. A couple of years back when we were gonna get digicamos similar to Canadians there was talk that it would be a good idea to check out Canadian kit and see if it were better than ours and just use that. In reserve field exercises those more in the know have turned up with US kit as well and claim its better than ours. It might be. I've fortunate in not having to spend too many nights in the snow outside. The Est kit of couple of years ago was definitely better than the Finnish kit I spend a few nights out in the winter in the nineties. But Finnish kit has got some improvements over the years as well.
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Ah yes I see what you mean,

This model:
http://www.rodastjarnan.com/estnisk-...plett-3353.php
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Erkki, thats the old one I've used. Its ok and for me did the job it was supposed to, but the more experienced guys (and gals) did bring other stuff.

This is the new one. I'm not sure what happened to our digicamo plans.
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If Georgian government towed the Moscow line the issue of Abhazian or Ossetian enclaves would not exist. Because Goergians want to be independent of Moscow, the issue of these "separate" enclaves was invented by Russia to destabilise Georgia.
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Yes, tell me how they managed to do that in 1991? Was the S Ossetian rebels really Russian soldier in disguise? Was or was not S Ossetia transfered to the Georgian SSR?
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Yes, tell me how they managed to do that in 1991?
The same way it was done or attempted to in almost every former Soviet republic. By reinforcing fears and old rivalries and with money in the right places.

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Was the S Ossetian rebels really Russian soldier in disguise?
While it is possibly that some Russian soldiers may have taken part of the hostilities (as they did in Abkhazia), the majority of the fighters obviously weren't.

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Was or was not S Ossetia transfered to the Georgian SSR?
And what has that got to do with anything? Can I expect a post from you regarding every border and administrative change made by Moscow? Will you for example post a lament about the injustice done to Ingush at Prigorodny? And no, I don't think that is an accurate description of how SO became to be part of Georgia.

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If Georgian government towed the Moscow line the issue of Abhazian or Ossetian enclaves would not exist. Because Goergians want to be independent of Moscow, the issue of these "separate" enclaves was invented by Russia to destabilise Georgia.
not quite right, sir. Georgia has been dreaming of joining NATO for some years but Tbilissi knows perfectly that NATO won't agree because of ongoing ethnic frictions.

So Georgia decided to ««calm«« the S.Ossetians who wanted to become independant from Georgia to increase its chances to be accepted in NATO
It sent the army, planning genocide-like attacks.

Russia had to intervene because Russian citizens from S.Ossetia were the first to be attacked by the Georgian troops

Then, as expected. NATO proclaimed that »»Russia invaded ««........
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The same way it was done or attempted to in almost every former Soviet republic. By reinforcing fears and old rivalries and with money in the right places.
And those had to be reinforced?

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Ah I see.



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Quite a bit, if my memory serves me right they was part of Russia.
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canshame, I think you're description of events is inaccurate, false even.
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... to increase its chances to be accepted in NATO
It sent the army, planning genocide-like attacks.
Yes, of course instigating genocide is the fast track to getting accepted into NATO!

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Quite a bit, if my memory serves me right they was part of Russia.
Once part of Russia, always part of Russia?
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