Szoviet ops in 1956 Hungary

[srac]

Hello all,

I stumbled upon this seemingly interesting web site and signed up to see if I can further a memorial project about the 1956 Hungarian revolution. Am currently interested in

1
Any data involving victims of the reprisals that followed, no need to bother with state links ;-)

2
There are a dozen or so anecdotal accounts of then Szoviet grunts/officers executed by their own during the hot period for refusing what I assume they would have considered unlawful orders or war crimes. History may be giving such soldiers an unjust treatment as bad apples.
Any name/rank/story/photo resources would be sincerely appreciated (believe me I know it was a HUGE army).

[stalin]

Originally Posted by srac

...the 1956 Hungarian revolution...

- first of all, it was an uprising and not a revolution; the insurgents started to kill the communists meanwhile Hungary was part of the Warsaw Pact ; that's why the USSR had nothing to do but to intervene and stop the killings.

[Xander]

What is "szoviet"? You meant "Soviet"?

[Shamil]

Some most famous images





Executed members of communist punative organs:











Some of 200000 Hungarian refuges who had to escape to Austria from Soviet troops after the defeat of the resistance.




Not exactly the info you ask for but perhaps it will be of some use to you.


http://www.wilsoncenter.org/index.cf...n%20Revolution

http://shraibman.livejournal.com/194686.html


http://www.hungary1956.com/photos.htm

http://www.flickr.com/photos/32912172@N00/2903733121/

[srac]

Stalin:
First many domestic communists were killed. About 3-4 occupying Soviet divisions were fought, largely checkmated. The leading members of the (only) communist party forming the governement escaped to the USSR. Other less Soviet minded and more nationalists/socailists/communists then formed the new legitimate government under Imre Nagy. This government declared the country independant, neutral and no longer a member of the block. That's a revolution, albeit short lived. Then the Soviets elected to reverse the withdrawal and to attack the country instead with 220,000 additional men, mostly armoured divisons, with that many again in proximity reserve.

Xander: yes I did mean Soviet.

Shamil:
Thank you very much for the effort you put into finding and posting the images. I was there and already have a considerable collection myself. What I don't have is data/images of a number of (then) Soviet soldiers executed by their own. David Irving in his book Uprising cites two incidents but no specific data (dates/places/names). One tank commander refused to drive over demonstrators sitting in the street, another officer refused to load children onto deportation trains. Both were shot on the spot. There are a few other accounts but no documentation.

[stalin]

Originally Posted by srac

...That's a revolution, albeit short lived...

- still it's not , because it was not followed by civil war of any sort , and Hungary failed at becoming a Northern Ireland or Basque country for the Eastern Bloc , and they didn't even have any kind of the IRA or ETA later on , because their "revolution" was phoney and set up by the West in order to provoke the USSR into intervention.

[srac]

stalin:
No contest on the provocation, but that was only a timing trigger to coincide with Suez. The underlying condition was already there and the pot had been boiling spontaneoulsy for ten years. Most of the citizens were anti-communists and that's why there was no civil war. It was all over in days. Hungary had become a neutral country, it was then attacked because Ike had failed to show so much as a couple of Eastwood like teeth in addition to sabotaging the UN agenda.

[Exorcist]

- still it's not , because it was not followed by civil war of any sort

Russo-centrism?
Who said that Civil War has to follow Revolution?! It didn't here for 80 years!

[stalin]

Originally Posted by srac

...Most of the citizens were anti-communists and that's why there was no civil war...

then why there was no guerilla war afterwards??... - that's because nobody in Hungary was in fact anticommunist and nobody supported the insurgents there.

[Janos]

Originally Posted by Exorcist

Who said that Civil War has to follow Revolution?! It didn't here for 80 years!

Absolutely right -- it's a red herring. The Russians apparently still can't admit that they were wrong to invade Hungary in 1956 and prefer to change the subject.

[pp(est)]

Originally Posted by stalin

then why there was no guerilla war afterwards??... - that's because nobody in Hungary was in fact anticommunist and nobody supported the insurgents there.

So who do you think held those initial Soviet divisions at bay? Where did the mass of protesters arrive from? Phantoms? There was some insurgency until mid-1957, but without any state sponsors (US was notoriously aloof about the whole thing), support structure, with ongoing ruthless Soviet reprisals and no hope of success there wasn't much conditions to start an insurgency.

[stalin]

Originally Posted by pp(est)

...Where did the mass of protesters arrive from?...

- from the slums where all sorts of scumbags and criminals hid.

[Shamil]

Originally Posted by stalin

- from the slums where all sorts of scumbags and criminals hid.

Stalin, you've just committed a grave ideological offense and subversion against communism as according to the ideology of communism slums do not exist in countries run by commies, they are located only in non-communist states.

[stalin]

- well... it was 1956 and it was Hungary, y'know.

[Half Pint John]

Originally Posted by stalin

- well... it was 1956 and it was Hungary, y'know.

and they were a communist country, occupied by Russian military.