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Old 27 Apr 09, 17:51
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OK then keep it simple -- why doesn't Russia just let South Ossetia go?
or Northern Osetia the site of Beslan massacre; Serbs who worship Russians are deluded; they tend to opress their ortodox little brothers and sister too, when they're close enough to grab and bearhug them. Panslavism was a tool of tzarist imperial policy and nothing more. Frankly speaking I don't care about this war much I only detest the muscovite hipocrisy.
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Paul,

Panslavism is not so much the problem in the Caucasus. There are not any Slavs! It is a collection of various Caucasian tribal ethnic groups that hate each other just like the major ethnic groups in Bosnia.

Russia just can't seem to learn to let go of anything it grabs. They may be afraid the whole bunch of ethnic groups will pull a mini-USSR dissolve into various splinter groups.

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OK then keep it simple -- why doesn't Russia just let South Ossetia go?
May be it is because Ossetians asked not leave them.

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or Northern Osetia the site of Beslan massacre; Serbs who worship Russians are deluded; they tend to opress their ortodox little brothers and sister too, when they're close enough to grab and bearhug them. Panslavism was a tool of tzarist imperial policy and nothing more. Frankly speaking I don't care about this war much I only detest the muscovite hipocrisy.
Do you mean, it were Ossetians in Beslan, who have killed their children because of separatism? Strong pot you are smoking.
Russians were close enough to Slav little brothers Poles, but did not bearhugged them. When in 1920 Poland seized parts of Russia and some time awhile Czechoslovakia in participation with Hitler, it surely was not imperial policy, but something more?
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Lord Balfur told in 1919, that he is interested only, under whose control is oilpipe in Caucasus, as for the rest, natives can tear themselves apart. Little has changed since then, only US became heirs of British policy.
Three days before 8/8/8 all US military advisers left Georgia. Georgians were having no wish to fight with Russia. One third of them are in Russia to earn living for their relatives back in Georgia. It was not their war, but US citizen’s comrade Saakhov. Because of that casualties were incomparable to that in Kosovo or Chechnya.
One of main aims of Russian military in Georgia was center for electronic surveillance with most advanced US equipment. Two big planes transported it to Moscow; it was really fabulous gift to researchers. US demanded it back, but Medvev answered, military trophy will not be returned.
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Do you mean, it were Ossetians in Beslan, who have killed their children because of separatism?
The committe of mothers of beslan as well as independant observers claim that it was the Russian security forces that caused explosion and subsequent fight. The history of previous similar hostage taking in the RF shows that nearly all the losses among the hostages were inflicted by Russian spetnaz.

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The botched rescue does not in any way release the terrorist from responsibility of creating the situation in the first place. There was absolutely no justification for Beslan irregardless of whether it could have been resolved better or not.
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May be it is because Ossetians asked not leave them.
funny, just look at Chechnya in the nineties for what happens if they ask for it.
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Lord Balfur told in 1919, that he is interested only, under whose control is oilpipe in Caucasus, as for the rest, natives can tear themselves apart. Little has changed since then, only US became heirs of British policy.
Three days before 8/8/8 all US military advisers left Georgia. Georgians were having no wish to fight with Russia. One third of them are in Russia to earn living for their relatives back in Georgia. It was not their war, but US citizen’s comrade Saakhov. Because of that casualties were incomparable to that in Kosovo or Chechnya.
One of main aims of Russian military in Georgia was center for electronic surveillance with most advanced US equipment. Two big planes transported it to Moscow; it was really fabulous gift to researchers. US demanded it back, but Medvev answered, military trophy will not be returned.

It is official Kremlin shitty stuff to feed Russian hurrah-patriots as they can eat only propagandist **** prepared in old Soviet style.

If the US had wanted to start a war and make serious problems for the RF, Washington would have raised the Georgian Armed forces to the appropriate level. However, nothing was done to prepare Georgia for the war with the RF. Georgians failed to mobilise reservists in time and even their best brigade was in Iraq when the war began. In the meantime the RF conducted military exercises in the North Osetia on the eve of the war, sent its troops to repare railroad in Abhazia that was later used for the attack on Georgia. All the Georgian actions were rather the delayed unprepared reaction to the planned RF ones.
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Also would not the US have sent the combat experienced Georgians in Iraq home with a bunch of goodies.



Also I know I pointed this out before but if Georgia has to let S.O. then it would only be fair that Chechnya is also allowed to leave Russia.


Personally I think both should stay where they are and learn to work with in a political frame work if there is one or build one.
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The committe of mothers of beslan as well as independant observers claim that it was the Russian security forces that caused explosion and subsequent fight. The history of previous similar hostage taking in the RF shows that nearly all the losses among the hostages were inflicted by Russian spetnaz.
Interesting,source?
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It is official Kremlin shitty stuff to feed Russian hurrah-patriots as they can eat only propagandist **** prepared in old Soviet style.
You can´t both throw the pie in someone else face and still have it. Even you have quoted Rt, and besides I can´t recall thet you ever managed to disprove them. And at least they give the proper translations of Interviews


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If the US had wanted to start a war and make serious problems for the RF, Washington would have raised the Georgian Armed forces to the appropriate level. However, nothing was done to prepare Georgia for the war with the RF.
Oh come on, Georgiasn military equipment was better then the Russian!

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Georgians failed to mobilise reservists in time and even their best brigade was in Iraq when the war began.
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In the meantime the RF conducted military exercises in the North Osetia on the eve of the war, sent its troops to repare railroad in Abhazia that was later used for the attack on Georgia.
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All the Georgian actions were rather the delayed unprepared reaction to the planned RF ones.
HA! Where did you find this? You know military forces have plans for everything, The US have plans to Attak Russia, would that justify Russia to attak them just beacause they have plans?
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Also would not the US have sent the combat experienced Georgians in Iraq home with a bunch of goodies.
They did, there was some worries the Russians would shot the planes down.



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Also I know I pointed this out before but if Georgia has to let S.O. then it would only be fair that Chechnya is also allowed to leave Russia.
Then it would be hundreds of small states around that must be allowed to leave...
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Interesting,source?
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