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Old 26 Apr 09, 22:54
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Erkki, why don't you show some results from NK elections and referendums for good measure. When I meant referendum - I meant proper, monitored referendum after a cooldown period and with all residents allowed to cast their vote. 99% pshaw why not 120% while they're at it.
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Ah maybe that, so you agree that S Ossetia isn´t traditoanly part of Georgia? Like I showed you several times before, or was it shamil?
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Erkki, I don't much care whether it is or isn't. However I do know that there are more convincing arguments for claiming it is. But as I said - I personally couldn't care less.
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anyone know, for instance, the main 3 reasons why georgia can't or won't adopt this strategy?
Because countries don't do that. You could just as well as why didn't Lincoln just let the South go, or why didn't England just let the US go in 1776.

In addition, it wouldn't do them any good. The Russians' goal is to subdue Georgia, regardless of what the Georgians due re South Ossetia and Abkhazia. I anticipate another attack by the Russians against Georgia before Christmas, and probably this summer.
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Erkki, I don't much care whether it is or isn't. However I do know that there are more convincing arguments for claiming it is. But as I said - I personally couldn't care less.
Ah such as?
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In addition, it wouldn't do them any good. The Russians' goal is to subdue Georgia, regardless of what the Georgians due re South Ossetia and Abkhazia. I anticipate another attack by the Russians against Georgia before Christmas, and probably this summer.
Again? When was the first time? During the soviet perieod?

What would thay gain by that? Anything they could have wanted they could have taken in august.
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Again? When was the first time? During the soviet perieod?
Good question. There have been several attacks. I was referring to the most recent one.
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What would thay gain by that? Anything they could have wanted they could have taken in august.
IMHO, it is because Georgia is not the target -- it is a training aid. The goal is to maintain intimidation of the "near abroad" and weaken NATO. It is also to help Putin et al retain power. Georgia is just convenient.
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Good question. There have been several attacks. I was referring to the most recent one.
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IMHO, it is because Georgia is not the target -- it is a training aid. The goal is to maintain intimidation of the "near abroad" and weaken NATO. It is also to help Putin et al retain power. Georgia is just convenient.
Doubtfully. Since Russia didn´t deploy much of their modern military equipment. Not sure if they even used T-80 like PP(est) claims. I haven´t seen anything more modern then upgraded T-72 and T-64.

I think NATO would be weaker with Georgia then without, at least with their unstabel president.

I also doubt that Putin gains much of invading Georgia, his popluarity is indeed dropping, but that is happening to politicians all over the world beacause of the economic crises.
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Ah you mean the counter attak.
If you say so.
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Doubtfully. Since Russia didn´t deploy much of their modern military equipment. Not sure if they even used T-80 like PP(est) claims. I haven´t seen anything more modern then upgraded T-72 and T-64.

I think NATO would be weaker with Georgia then without, at least with their unstabel president.

I also doubt that Putin gains much of invading Georgia, his popluarity is indeed dropping, but that is happening to politicians all over the world beacause of the economic crises.
You have my prediction and I stand by it. Time will tell.
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If you say so.
Yep... No T-90:s or T-80:s, no heavy AT weapons with the Peacekeepers, the lack of Spetsnaz units, the fact that VDV wasn´t there at the begining of the war, No other elite divisions, no overwhelming airsupport. And that the commander of the 54 or 58 army was wounded in a ambush when only a small part of his units entered SO to relive the already attaked Peacekeepers.

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Yep...
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Why don't Georgia let Ossetia go? Well for the same reasons Russia don't want Chechenia or Tatarstan go. Although I blame more those who created the Kosova out of the Serbia; it was dangerous precedence to break Helsinki accord on integrality of European borders only to apease Saudis.
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Checneya is complicated, it demanding independence was just one reason for the military operation...
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Checneya is complicated, it demanding independence was just one reason for the military operation...
OK then keep it simple -- why doesn't Russia just let South Ossetia go?
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Well if we go to the very basic: Humans are animals, they have just more complicated rituals and tend to be less logical but a analog would be: Why doesn´t male lions just leave their territories?
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Male lions leave their territory all the time. It is usually when some other Lion(s) make them leave. Females on the other hand tend to stay in one area.

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