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Is this envoy right ?

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A Norwegian diplomat based in Saudi Arabia has sent out e-mails from her Foreign Ministry e-mail account equating Israel's offensive against Hamas in Gaza with the systematic mass murder of six million Jews by the Nazis.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...=1232292920832

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Is she right ?

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No.

All the diplomat is doing is trying to beat Israel with their own historic history. Yet another historically ignorant, Liberal <Text Removed>

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Agreed, just looks like alot of propaganda again. All photos, no context.
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Agreed.

In my opinion it's an illegitimate critic of Israel (like there's also a legitimate critic).

It's the type of rhetoric that remove the moral dimension of the state. It's also a good way of dehumanizing the whole Israelis.

There's way to much focus about this conflict (especialy among pro-palestinians ). These people are turning so emotional, so blindly poetical, when it comes to Israel...blaming the state for same crimes also committed elsewhere by other states.

These peoples also just cares about humans rigths violations when the wrongdoers are the Israelis(Americans and British come close behind) otherwise you dont see them on the street...

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No.

All the diplomat is doing is trying to beat Israel with their own historic history. Yet another historically ignorant, Liberal <Text Removed>

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More propo from the Hamahaha love crowd here and abroad.

Norway's record here is not unknown.


http://www.jcpa.org/phas/phas-050-uriely.htm

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1041724.html

"Norway is the most anti-Semitic country in Scandinavia," Dr. Manfred Gerstenfeld, a scholar of Western European anti-Semitism from the Center said at the symposium".

http://www.ejpress.org/article/4281


http://europenews.dk/en/node/16870


http://www.adl.org/Anti_semitism/Letter_norway.asp

Otto Jespersen, a Norwegian entertainer, said on a November 27 program on TV2: “I would like to take the opportunity to remember all the billions of fleas and lice that lost their lives in German gas chambers, without having done anything wrong other than settling on persons of Jewish background.” It was reported that a police complaint was made against Jespersen in the city of Bćrum shortly thereafter, but we are not aware of the result of any investigation of the complaint.

We understand that Tore W. Tvedt, the founder of the neo-Nazi Vigrid group, was convicted under Norwegian hate speech law for saying in an interview that Jews “are parasites that must be wiped out.” In that case, it was reported that the police had decided not to act on the complaint, but the state prosecutor overruled the police and decided to press charges. Regardless of Jespersen’s attempt at humor, he clearly implied that Jews are even inferior to parasites. We urge your government to ensure that this complaint too is taken seriously.


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IOW when ye see this propo remember it's source and the who's who would bring it here for counter demonization purposes....nuting new.

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Where are the missing zeros?

This isn't WWII. No matter how badly you want to call your political enemies "Nazis" nor how much you enjoy doing it, the facts tell a different story.

Israel can deliver hundreds of tons of high explosives to any area of Gaza they select on a daily basis. Gaza is essentially just a large city with over a million inhabitants. If you tossed bombs and shells into it randomly for three weeks you should kill someone with almost every round of ammo you expend. Roughly 1500 people have died.

Still not seeing the big picture? Read up on the Nazi invasions of Poland and Russia. Killing a large number of civilians is pretty easy with industrial age technology. In the information age it is even easier except the actual numbers have kept going down.

Why should that be? The simplest answer is that western trained militaries are managed by the concept of military necessity. A target is selected for destruction based on its military value and sufficient weapons are allocated to ensure it is destroyed, but no more than needed. If I give you a $30,000 smart bomb you had better use it on something a lot more dangerous than a playground set or else.

I will not argue that innocent bystanders have not been killed. That also would be highly unlikely. However Israel spends a great deal of effort in monitoring activity in the Gaza strip and if they claim they are using their limited supply of high tech weapons on locations they believe harbor Hamas weapons and assets, the numbers generally bear that out.

Even the Geneva Conventions state that placing weapons in a protected place causes that place to lose its protected status. Our Norwegian friend should be well aware of that. A supply of HE rockets is a legitimate target no matter where it is located. Hamas choses the locations of its stockpiles and gunmen. Israel only choses when and how to strike them.

The political aspect of this conflct is frankly hopeless in my view. The military activities on the other hand are far more straight forward. The available facts force us to conclude that Israeli forces must not be deliberately targeting non-combatants - the extra zeros needed to support that claim are just not there.
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I can find no valid comparison between Israel and the Nazi regime. This is hyperbole, at best, and anti-semitism at worst.
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Hi all

None of u has commented on the core of the subject.

Almost all of you are just attacking with either off points or pointless vague grey non-relevant vocabulary.

More importantly, ur contributions r mass-descriptive without the slightest objectivity:

Anti-semitism
Norwegians
Israelis
Jews

Where is the specificity ?

Why should whoever creticizes Israel be anti-semite.

Semitism and Israel r not synonyms
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I think this thread may illustrate why it can be dangerous to discuss politics and religion.
People get very passionate and intransigent when doing so.

Everyone: step back and take a deep breath.
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I think this thread may illustrate why it can be dangerous to discuss politics and religion.
People get very passionate and intransigent when doing so.

Everyone: step back and take a deep breath.

How can u separate religion from politics when u talk about a conflict between Islamists and a proclaimed state which was implanted in the middle east to be a homeland for all the jews in the world ?

Whatever u do, religion has a major contribution to it.
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