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Former Chief Rabbi calls for carpet bombing of Gaza

All civilians living in Gaza are collectively guilty for Kassam attacks on Sderot, former Sephardi chief rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu has written in a letter to Prime Minister Ehud Olmert.

Eliyahu ruled that there was absolutely no moral prohibition against the indiscriminate killing of civilians during a potential massive military offensive on Gaza aimed at stopping the rocket launchings.

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Oh, That's Because He's a "Mizrahi"

Maybe the title is a bit prejudiced; but the sephardim are very different than the ashkenaz Jews. There's no intellectual European kulturnacht or classical music, socialist smoking debate cafe society relatively measured speak as is the case of the ashkenaz (European Jewish) establishment in Israel.

No, whether it's Yemeni rabbis, unemployed truckdrivers, Morroccai drug dealers in development towns, Maccabi soccer hooligans, et cetera...the Sephardic Israelis--actually the sephardim period, are extremely Arab-like in their pronouncements. If Hamas or Hezbollah says something like IZ-RA-ELL-EE snakes into the sea; the Israeli mizrahim will sing Nasrallah to hell inch'allah.

There are many sepharades as we the French call them in France. Like in Israel, Sephardim make up 60% of the population of Jews in France. And France has the largest population in Europe of Jews (It also has the largest population--seven times more--of Arabs!).

While there was and still is anti-Jewish feeling against the older ashkenazim population for a variety of historical reason I won't get into as it would go on for pages...there is almost none against the "pied noir" Jews from Algeria, Morrocco and Tunisia (France's lost colonies).

They, with their exagerated speech, their love of Magrebian food like their Arab cousins, their music, love of partying and sex, simple fun loving and hard working people, they are often made fun of and not taken seriously. The French respect them for their openly rascally ways while distrusting their Ashkenaz co-religionaries as hiding, dual loyalty, the list goes on back to the Dreyfus/Panama Affair over 110 years ago. Another story.

And the ashkenazim look very much down on these "Arab jews", these schvartzes. Sometimes for good reason (crime, hooliganism, inability to put a home aquarium together.... ); but in the most humiliating way that one understands why a certain Yemeni Jew one evening pumped bullets into PM Yitzak Rabin's head.

If you think that's controversial; think that it's overwhelmingly Sephari soldiers doing the dying for Israel. For whatever their faults, they are the salt of the earth, and for France, they went in against the FLN as the bravest units of the OAS.

Sorry if I dashed this off so fast; but that's it more or less in a nutshell.

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So they love food, music, partying, sex and carpet bombing! Sounds like my kind of people.
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Maybe the title is a bit prejudiced; but the sephardim are very different than the ashkenaz Jews. There's no intellectual European kulturnacht or classical music, socialist smoking debate cafe society relatively measured speak as is the case of the ashkenaz (European Jewish) establishment in Israel.

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And the ashkenazim look very much down on these "Arab jews", these schvartzes. Sometimes for good reason (crime, hooliganism, inability to put a home aquarium together.... ); but in the most humiliating way that one understands why a certain Yemeni Jew one evening pumped bullets into PM Yitzak Rabin's head.

If you think that's controversial; think that it's overwhelmingly Sephari soldiers doing the dying for Israel. For whatever their faults, they are the salt of the earth, and for France, they went in against the FLN as the bravest units of the OAS.

Sorry if I dashed this off so fast; but that's it more or less in a nutshell.

Enjoy your weekend boys and girls. Yalla yalla yalla!
Shvartzes.....I can picture Mel Brooks saying this....

As for home aquariums...I've tried putting one together...I was lucky that I managed to get the water on the inside of the tank...the fish still died though.

But you are right, Laurent....us of a generally European/North American background tend to lump all Arabs and all Jews into large aggregates, forgetting the often subtle and not so-subtle differences within each. Hence, the common complaint mentioned here that the 'other Arab countries' won't take in the Palestinians with the surmise that they should...since they are all Arabs. Big difference between Yemenis, Algerians, Iraqis and Palestinians.....just as there is a big difference between Sephardim and Ashkenazi...or between American and Russian Jews. Interestingly enough, some of the earliest opponents to the Zionist project of a new Israel in the land of Palestine comprised the indigenous Jewish population in Palestine, who feared that Zionist settlers would provoke Arab hostility....strangely enough, they were right.....
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All civilians living in Gaza are collectively guilty for Kassam attacks on Sderot, former Sephardi chief rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu has written in a letter to Prime Minister Ehud Olmert.

Eliyahu ruled that there was absolutely no moral prohibition against the indiscriminate killing of civilians during a potential massive military offensive on Gaza aimed at stopping the rocket launchings.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...&refer=cnn.com
This doesnt take a genious. See the thread title? It says Former Chief Rabbi calls for carpet bombing of Gaza. I would think this makes sense that he possibly got fired from his view on things.

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This doesnt take a genious. See the thread title? It says Former Chief Rabbi calls for carpet bombing of Gaza. I would think this makes sense that he got fired from his view on things.
Who said he got fired? He served his term as the Chief Rabbi of Israel from 1983-1993. No mention that he was fired. Looks like he is still currently a member of the Supreme Rabbinical Court in Jerusalem.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mordechai_Eliyahu
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Who said he got fired? He served his term as the Chief Rabbi of Israel from 1983-1993. No mention that he was fired. Looks like he is still currently a member of the Supreme Rabbinical Court in Jerusalem.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mordechai_Eliyahu
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My fault, jumped the gun. Sorry i try to follow Akkam's razor.
That would be the problem right there...you got Akkam's razor mixed up with Occam's. I wouldn't trust my 5 o'clock shadow with Akkam's razor....
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Carpetombing is unnecessary even if it is true that the majority of the palestinians in gaza are behind hamas and what it does.
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I don't think Israel has strategic bombers of the carpet bombing variety. Theirs are more tactical and ground attack bombers.
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I don't think Israel has strategic bombers of the carpet bombing variety. Theirs are more tactical and ground attack bombers.
Well today's "fighter bombers" can carry more bombs than a WWII bomber and there was carpet bombing in WWII, so the Israelis might not be able to pull off what the BUFFs did against the Republican Guard in 1991 I think it could easily be done...the whole world thinks "carpet bombing" is going on already anyway.
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So they love food, music, partying, sex and carpet bombing! Sounds like my kind of people.
Dear righteous Anglo Saxon New Zealander,

What I meant to say is that one oughtn't take what a Sephardi/Mizrahi rabbi (whose dress and manner look very Arab) says; as it is almost always as exaggerated in speech as some of the pronouncements in Arabic against the Israelis. Which means I don't take what the Arabs say seriously either. It sounds mean, but neither should anyone.

In 1948, one of the British administers for His Majesty's Mandate of Palestine; Sir Alan Cunningham, I believe, said something along the lines of "the Arab lives in a land of oriental make believe", predicting that the Jews would win in the struggle for the land. He meant of course the growing Ashkenazim population leaving the horrors of war-ravaged Europe and not the Sephardic Jews. He added that they were determined, organised describing them offhandedly as "semi-European".

The British were dismissive; but they had more than enough of an impossible situation by 1948.

As for me, these seemingly callous statements do not mean that I regard the deaths of Arab civilians as less. I was moved watching the New York Times video of the Gaza doctor who lost three of his daughters. Moreover, I believe this incident seen on Israeli television (Dr. Abu al-Aish speaks Hebrew and had been in contact with Israeli media at the time as well as working in an Israeli hospital as a noted specialist) probably made the Israeli government immediately set in motion the current cease-fire. Public opinion on the left has never been comfortable with the Gaza operation.

In short, one must be caring, but stay objective and neutral. Nobody is, neither the well-meaning but guileless American Evangelicals or the hairbrained radical leftists also easily suckered. Each side knows how gullible both of you are and are both hysterically using their media connections as much as possible (The Jews in the media seem to be losing steam, while the Arabs on the campuses or ceaselessly contacting the media are or have already overtaken the aging, befuddled and assimilated Jewish diaspora who have lost of the "elan vital" that their relations from the late '40s had.

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Always Look on the Bright Side of Life!

For all the grumpy Evangelicals, Leftist Whippersnappers, Jumpin' Bean Arabs, and Wandering Jews (as well chere mademoiselle la saigonaise), here's something to put you all in a good frame of mind: http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=1loyjm4SOa0

Vive le cesse le feu !

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All civilians living in Gaza are collectively guilty for Kassam attacks on Sderot, former Sephardi chief rabbi Mordechai Eliyahu has written in a letter to Prime Minister Ehud Olmert.

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http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...&refer=cnn.com
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here's something to put you all in a good frame of mind:

Vive le cesse le feu !

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There....embedded it for you, Laurent.....

For those who don't know French.....vive le cesse le feu = praise the cease-fire!
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