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US Aircraft/Helicopter losses in Vietnam-information,please

How many US warplanes and helicopters got lost in the Vietnam war (1963-1973, without the losses sustained by the South Vietnamese Army) ? I`d be interested in precise numbers, and - if ever possible - in a distribution of the losses by aircraft/helicopter type and by the year the losses occured.
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Where is this source of information from????
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Wikipedia has similar figures with more details (combat/non-combat loss, Firstloss/final loss...):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraf...he_Vietnam_War
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Kinda Brit's revenge, no doubt.
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Kinda Brit's revenge, no doubt.
Hobson's Vietnam Air Losses is an excellent reference book. It provides a chronological narrative for every US fixed-wing aircraft (and aircrew) lost in the war...As well as a lot of statistics.
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Hobson's Vietnam Air Losses is an excellent reference book. It provides a chronological narrative for every US fixed-wing aircraft (and aircrew) lost in the war...As well as a lot of statistics.
And it is quite remarkable that such a complete reference had to be compiled by a British.
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And it is quite remarkable that such a complete reference had to be compiled by a British.
Nah!...The Brit's have always been the world leaders in compiling things...
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From VHPA.org - the Vietnam Helicopter Pilots Association

Helicopter Losses During the Vietnam War
There were about 12,000 helicopters that served in the Vietnam War (we have specific tail numbers for 11,827 from
all services). See below for losses.
Bell Helicopter built 10,005 Hueys from 1957 to 1975. Prior to 1957, there were three XH-40 prototypes and six
YH-40 test helicopters manufactured. Of the 10,005 production Hueys, the first 732 were designated HU-1A and
HU-1B. 9,216 of these went to the U.S. Army, 79 to the U.S. Air Force, 42 to the U.S. Navy, and 127 to the U.S.
Marine Corps. The rest went to other countries.
Our records show that 7,013 Hueys served in the Vietnam War. Almost all were Army.
KIA KIA
served destroy pilots crew
UH-1 80 80 36 17
UH-1A 8 1
UH-1B 729 376 139 144
UH-1C 696 415 167 158
UH-1D 1,926 1,028 224 247
UH-1E 156 100 39 41
UH-1F 31 18 4 5
UH-1H 3,375 1,285 457 487
UH-1L 2
UH-1M 5 5 3
UH-1N 2 2
UH-1P 3 3 1
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7,013 3,305 1,074 1,103
Total helicopter pilots killed in the Vietnam War was 2,202. Total non-pilot crew members was 2704. Based on a database I got recently from the Pentagon, we estimate that over 40,000 helicopter pilots served in the Vietnam War.
To help in understanding the above numbers, the first 80 Hueys are missing a letter for some unknown reason. UH-1Ds were upgraded to UH-1Hs. That is why you see a higher percent of losses for UH-1Ds. They were destroyed
before they were upgraded to Hs. They were both used as slicks so they should be counted together when making any conclusions. UH-1Bs were upgraded to UH-1Cs then to UH-1Ms. Most of the UH-1Bs and nearly all of the UH-1Cs were used as gunships. The UH-1E, F, L, N and P were typically non-Army.
2,709 people were killed while in Hueys.
1,074 pilots
1,103 crew members
532 American passengers (we do not have a good count on Vietnamese, their numbers probably exceed the number of American passengers)
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2,709
Army UH-1's totaled 7,531,955 flight hours in the Vietnam War between October 1966 and the end of 1975. It is my opinion that the Huey including the Huey Cobra (AH-1G) which had 1,038,969 flight hours in Vietnam, have more combat flight time than any other aircraft in the history of warfare.
Here is a web site of mine with more information http://www.vhfcn.org/stat.htm
All of the Army's Vietnam era helicopters had Indian names except for the Cobra. The UH-1 was officially
designated the Iroquois. It was the first turbine power aircraft purchased by the Army and had the largest numbers
produced of any helicopter for that era (this may still be true). It started out as the civilian model 204 and was
designated XH-40 when the first three prototypes were ordered. The first of these was flown by Floyd Carlson at
Fort Worth on 22 October 1956. Before this first flight, a service test batch of six YH-40s had been ordered and
these were delivered by August 1958. When the H-40 was ordered into production, it was redesignated HU-1A in
the Army category for utility helicopters and officially named the Iroquois. The HU designation gave rise to the
"Huey" nickname for the type. The first of nine pre-production HU-1As were made on June 30, 1959. In 1962, the
Iroquois became the H-1 in the new tri-service designation system which changed the HU-1A and HU-1B to UH-1A
and UH-1B.
The following was done recently for a museum.
1 205 was destroyed (Air America)
270 AH-1G were destroyed
1 AH-1J was destroyed
1 BELL was destroyed
14 CH-21C were destroyed
2 CH-34 were destroyed
1 CH-37B was destroyed
1 CH-37C was destroyed
7 CH-3C were destroyed
7 CH-3E were destroyed
94 CH-46Awere destroyed
58 CH-46Dwere destroyed
83 CH-47Awere destroyed
20 CH-47B were destroyed
29 CH-47C were destroyed
12 CH-53Awere destroyed
2 CH-53C were destroyed
9 CH-53Dwere destroyed
9 CH-54Awere destroyed
2 H-37A were destroyed
21 HH-3E were destroyed
7 HH-43Bwere destroyed
6 HH-43F were destroyed
2 HH-53Bwere destroyed
7 HH-53Cwere destroyed
147 OH-13S were destroyed
93 OH-23Gwere destroyed
45 OH-58Awere destroyed
842 OH-6A were destroyed
3 SH-34G were destroyed
8 SH-3A were destroyed
3 SIOUX were destroyed
60 UH-1 were destroyed
1 UH-1A was destroyed
357 UH-1B were destroyed
365 UH-1C were destroyed
886 UH-1D were destroyed
90 UH-1E were destroyed
18 UH-1F were destroyed
1313 UH-1H were destroyed
1 UH-1N was destroyed
6 UH-2A were destroyed
6 UH-2B were destroyed
176 UH-34Dwere destroyed
Total helicopters destroyed in the Vietnam War was 5,086 out of 11,827
Please note: These numbers were compiled at different times with different conditions; therefore, there are some
discrepencies between the two sets. I will not be able to resolve the differences within your time frame, but the
above should give you plenty of information to make some fairly accurate general statements.
Information compiled by Gary Roush


Rotorwash Sorry about the columns not lining up.

p.s. It is important to remember that many of the UH-1H and UH-1M models may have been on their second or third trip to Vietnam with a stateside rebuild in between trips to the combat zone.
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The helos I can see. Flimsy things in smallarms range and dust. Fine.

But that the North Vietnamese and accidents managed to kill 3000 high-powered jets is hard to swallow. Even if you compute out the length of the war, that would be about 400/year in the more intense years. Each day a fighter plane don't make it back.

There must have been a better way.

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operational accident are scary even in peacetime. Plus you were flying in the worst IADS zone of the world.

Also remember that those are losses reported. It icnluded aircraft written off after returning to base due to excessive damage.
Also the total includes a lot of lower end planes like O1 Bird Dog (172) and O2 Skymaster (104) and those only for air force (and those from 1963) plus army.

for example a detailed break down of the 95 Marine F4B shot down includes the following: 72 Marine F-4Bs were lost in combat (one to a MiG, 65 to AAA, and six to mortar or sapper attacks on their bases) and 23 others were destroyed in operational accidents.

It is not out of scale with other wars and has to be compared with sortie generation rate.
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Arrigo's right, compared to the total numbers of air sorties its not that huge. From the wikipedia article:

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All told, the U.S. Air Force flew 5.25 million sorties over South Vietnam, North Vietnam, northern and southern Laos, and Cambodia, losing 2,251 aircraft, 1,737 because of hostile action and 514 for operational reasons. 110 of the losses were helicopters and the rest fixed-wing. A ratio of roughly 0.4 losses per 1,000 sorties compared favorably with a 2.0 rate in Korea and the 9.7 figure during World War II.
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Also remember that those are losses reported. It icnluded aircraft written off after returning to base due to excessive damage.
Sorry to disappoint, but operational losses of neither US service contained DBRs (Damaged Beyond Repair). If an aircraft managed to land in one piece, but later was written off, for example due to excessive costs/imposibility of repairs, then it did not appear in these statistics.

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Anybody got an idea of the proportion of aircrafts lost over NVN vs SVN?
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Well, the USAF wasn't the only service that fielded flying objects during the Vietnam War. Three thousand seven hundred twenty is a remarkable number and no selective statistics will change it.
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