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I'm for any result that enlightens the Palestinians to their situation conclusively

To do that we have to separate them from the influence of Hamas and other extremist groups, and this can't in my opinion be achieved by Israeli force of arms.

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Actually, it can be - the rest of the world just needs to keep their noses out of it. As Robert Heinlein famously pointed out in Starship Trooper, "absolute force has resolved more issues throughout human history that any other course." He went on to state the the issue could be debated by the likes of Hitler and Stalin, with the ghosts of all of the extinct species due to man as referees.

The fatal misconception of modern nations is that limited force solves anything. Terrorists, in sharp contrast, having long recognized the harsh reality, do not limit their actions. If Hamas had a nuke, they would use it on Jerusalem, just as al Qaeda would willingly nuke Washington, D.C., or poison the entire population of New York, just as they eagerly aimed passenger airliners converted into de facto suicide guided missiles at the Pentagon, the White House and the WTC's with total disregard for civilian loss life or world opinion.

The fact staring the world in the face is the only solution to the Palestinian problem is undoubtedly the overwhelming use of totally destructive force, until no one remains with either the will or ability to continue killing Israeli's.

The other fact, which the so-called "civilized" nations of the West do not want to admit, is that terrorists and belligerent Third World nations count on the reluctance of the West to commit themselves idealogically to victory. They see diplomacy and restraint as weaknesses to be ruthlessly exploited. Hamas is willing to sacrifice every single Palestinian to achieve their aims; nothing less is going to defeat them.
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If your the kind of man who doesnt give a toss about dying and embracces martyrdom for his faith and would take his family with him. Do you think destroying a whole area like Gaza with utter ruthlessness will make him more or less likely to pursue detonating a nuclear device in Jerusalem or Washington? Im sure you dont need three guesses.
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If your the kind of man who doesnt give a toss about dying and embracces martyrdom for his faith and would take his family with him. Do you think destroying a whole area like Gaza with utter ruthlessness will make him more or less likely to pursue detonating a nuclear device in Jerusalem or Washington? Im sure you dont need three guesses.
The willingness to wreak havoc on the world is something no amount of reason can succeed at swaying somene who is irrational. All that civilization can hope to do is prevent them from having the capability to carry out their ruthless desire.

I am reminded of a video that I saw of a terrorist in either Iraq or Afghanistan shooting an RPG at an M-1 tank and subsequently vanishing in a smokey blast of the return fire. Had the tank not returned fire, he and his compatriots would not have been any less ruthless and suicidal but at least now the terrorist is incapable of shooting at anyone else.

Israel spent most of its history having to fight Arab national armies with the real threat from actual palestinians on coming after they were allowed into their own territories. I seemed that neither Lebanon, Syria, Jordan nor Egypt were thrilled with the idea of heavily armed uncontrolled fanatics on the soil so they were largely controlled or checked until the Lebanese civil war.
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I realise this is military history forum thus the obsession with the military option but why are some people so blind to the concept of hearts and minds and propoganda. You have a five year old arab currently living in say Syria. Is he destined to be a suicide bomber by fate or does he become by what he perceives and is taught. Of course its the latter. This obsession with the mass overt military option in the Middle East only helps the Imams do their twisted jobs. Many people here have said we have to isolate Hamas from the population(and correctly so, well one does that through engagment especially with the overall poulation as best they can, economic development and use your intelligence services to hunt the extremists down in isolation. This of course takes time and is often painful especially when some nutter inevitably fires off a rocket which wont stop by the way because of this invasion. Real political development takes time and effort rather than this rapid blitzkrieg instant coffee soloutions that is obseessed about. And before someone say oh their after nukes and stuff you've got to kill em all. I say exactly. These people are now going to be further underground and way harder to catch and a lot less people around to inform and tell the Israelis or our people where said madmen might be.

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The fatal misconception of modern nations is that limited force solves anything. Terrorists, in sharp contrast, having long recognized the harsh reality, do not limit their actions. If Hamas had a nuke, they would use it on Jerusalem, just as al Qaeda would willingly nuke Washington, D.C., or poison the entire population of New York, just as they eagerly aimed passenger airliners converted into de facto suicide guided missiles at the Pentagon, the White House and the WTC's with total disregard for civilian loss life or world opinion.
Israel knows the potential benefits of terrorism too. In 1954 its agents were caught in the act of attacking US and UK targets in Egypt in the hope that it would be blamed on Muslim extremists.
http://www.mideastweb.org/lavon.htm

And on 9/11, Israeli agents were caught in the act of trying to blow up the George Washington Bridge.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CHq6JocvDM&NR=1

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHART...eisraelis.html

Former Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky in his book The Other Side of Deception revealed how the Mossad tricked the U.S. into attacking Libya by installing a radio transmitter in Libya that broadcast fake terrorism instructions. Convinced by this disinformation that Libya was behind the 1986 bombing of a Berlin disco in which a US soldier died, President Ronald Reagan ordered massive air attacks on Libya, including an obvious- and illegal (under US law) attempt to assassinate Qadaffi himself. Some 100 Libyan civilians were killed, including Qadaffi's two year old daughter. Libyan officials had no idea why they were attacked.

http://www.wrmea.com/backissues/1099/9910022.html

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/hoax.html

It is worth remembering the motto of the Mossad is, "By way of deception, thou shalt do war."
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Israel knows the potential benefits of terrorism too. In 1954 its agents were caught in the act of attacking US and UK targets in Egypt in the hope that it would be blamed on Muslim extremists.
http://www.mideastweb.org/lavon.htm

And on 9/11, Israeli agents were caught in the act of trying to blow up the George Washington Bridge.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CHq6JocvDM&NR=1

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHART...eisraelis.html

Former Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky in his book The Other Side of Deception revealed how the Mossad tricked the U.S. into attacking Libya by installing a radio transmitter in Libya that broadcast fake terrorism instructions. Convinced by this disinformation that Libya was behind the 1986 bombing of a Berlin disco in which a US soldier died, President Ronald Reagan ordered massive air attacks on Libya, including an obvious- and illegal (under US law) attempt to assassinate Qadaffi himself. Some 100 Libyan civilians were killed, including Qadaffi's two year old daughter. Libyan officials had no idea why they were attacked.

http://www.wrmea.com/backissues/1099/9910022.html

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/hoax.html

It is worth remembering the motto of the Mossad is, "By way of deception, thou shalt do war."

So the Mossad agents were "caught" trying to blow up the GW bridge? Why were they released? Did aliens from outer space rescue them??
Those Jews must be pretty smart to be able to "trick the US government" into attacking Qaddafi. To go off topic briefly :Have you seen Bigfoot lately? Did you hear the latest news? : The Mossad are definitely aliens from Mars whose mission is to set up earth for an invasion from Mars.
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Typically what i expected.

It's hard to imagine these two countries doing anything in concert

Why you are choosing (apparently) to misunderstand a clear meaning puzzles me. The were both intimidating the Arab states independantly for their own political ends.


If the British cutoff military supplies, wouldn't that have been a unilateral decision

NO. The supplies stopped because we were forced out of Palestine when our mandate ended, after which the UN took control.


To see problems with the existence of Israel within the Arab world did not require much thought.

Of course not, but the point is that they were clearly foreseen 60 years ago by the US in particular, and this apparent obvious point goes against many members positions here where the 'problem' of the Palestinians continued resistance seems strange to them.







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So the Mossad agents were "caught" trying to blow up the GW bridge? Why were they released?
An important clue for the answer to that question is the fact that the FBI classified all evidence connecting Israelis to 9/11, as reported by FOX NEWS.
http://www.veoh.com/videos/v552406rYaXEFgw



Another clue is that it was advantageous for the Zionist Neocons that dominated the Bush administration to have 9/11 blamed exclusively on Muslims. Israeli former MK Uri Avnery describes this in an article written around the time of "Mission Accomplished Day."
http://www.gush-shalom.org/archives/article242.html
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An important clue for the answer to that question is the fact that the FBI classified all evidence connecting Israelis to 9/11, as reported by FOX NEWS.
http://www.veoh.com/videos/v552406rYaXEFgw



Another clue is that it was advantageous for the Zionist Neocons that dominated the Bush administration to have 9/11 blamed exclusivelythe on Muslims. Israeli former MK Uri Avnery describes this in an article written around the time of "Mission Accomplished Day."
http://www.gush-shalom.org/archives/article242.html
Sorry Osama. The Israelis you accuse of being complicit in 9/11 were totally cleared by the FBI. Fox News was thoroughly irresponsible reporting this story without checking the facts. Uri Avnery is the Lord Hee Haw of Israel. He is lucky he lives in a democracy. Otherwise, he would have been executed as the traitor he is. Why would the Muslims be blamed "exclusively" for 9/11?? Sarcasm. Did the Israelis hypnotize the terrorist mass murderers who flew the jets into the WTC and The Pentagon? Is Bin Laden a Mossad agent?? Why don't you use your time more constructively?
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Israel knows the potential benefits of terrorism too. In 1954 its agents were caught in the act of attacking US and UK targets in Egypt in the hope that it would be blamed on Muslim extremists.
http://www.mideastweb.org/lavon.htm

And on 9/11, Israeli agents were caught in the act of trying to blow up the George Washington Bridge.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CHq6JocvDM&NR=1

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHART...eisraelis.html

Former Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky in his book The Other Side of Deception revealed how the Mossad tricked the U.S. into attacking Libya by installing a radio transmitter in Libya that broadcast fake terrorism instructions. Convinced by this disinformation that Libya was behind the 1986 bombing of a Berlin disco in which a US soldier died, President Ronald Reagan ordered massive air attacks on Libya, including an obvious- and illegal (under US law) attempt to assassinate Qadaffi himself. Some 100 Libyan civilians were killed, including Qadaffi's two year old daughter. Libyan officials had no idea why they were attacked.

http://www.wrmea.com/backissues/1099/9910022.html

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/hoax.html

It is worth remembering the motto of the Mossad is, "By way of deception, thou shalt do war."

I bet you have a whole roll of tinfoil under that turban, dude.
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Sorry Osama. The Israelis you accuse of being complicit in 9/11 were totally cleared by the FBI.
With that kind of released = totally cleared "logic," you could argue that O.J. Simpson did not murder Nicole because he was released after his criminal trial.

The Israeli newspaper Haaretz reported that intense pressure was exerted by the pro-Israel lobby to have the Mossad agents released.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/S...ID=0&listSrc=Y

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Uri Avnery is the Lord Hee Haw of Israel. He is lucky he lives in a democracy. Otherwise, he would have been executed as the traitor he is.
A person can be a traitor and at the same time a patriot acting in the best interest of his country. The best example of this I can think of are the traitors that tried to assassinate Hitler.



Incidentally, an Israeli political party did attempt to strip Avnery of his citizenship:
http://www.gush-shalom.org/archives/article227.html

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Why would the Muslims be blamed "exclusively" for 9/11?? Sarcasm. Did the Israelis hypnotize the terrorist mass murderers who flew the jets into the WTC and The Pentagon?
Norman Mineta testified that Dick Cheney refused to give a shoot-down order against the aircraft that hit the Pentagon even when he knew it was only ten miles away. This testmony was "lost" from the 9/11 Commission video archive supposedly because of a "snafu."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRJAI...eature=related

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?...50724164122860

http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/260607_mineta.html

And an increasing number of architects and engineers believe that the complete collapse of the Twin Towers and World Trade Center building 7 resulted from demolition charges based on the fact that jet fuel and office furniture cannot possibly burn hot enough to cause steel to melt (yes, molten steel was found in the debris) and also from numerous eyewitness reports of secondary explosions coming from the buildings. The possibility of demolition charges being the cause of the building collapse was not even considered by the 9/11 Commission.

http://www.ae911truth.org/




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what would be the point of demolishing WTC building #7 a half a day after the original attack?
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So the Mossad agents were "caught" trying to blow up the GW bridge? Why were they released? Did aliens from outer space rescue them??
Those Jews must be pretty smart to be able to "trick the US government" into attacking Qaddafi. To go off topic briefly :Have you seen Bigfoot lately? Did you hear the latest news? : The Mossad are definitely aliens from Mars whose mission is to set up earth for an invasion from Mars.
haha the GWB story is hilarious... cant beleive others actually beleive that.
i guess its like the ole "dancing jews" filming the twoers getting hit.
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what would be the point of demolishing WTC building #7 a half a day after the original attack?
It's quite possible that its demolition was originally intended to take place at the same time as the collapse of the Twin Towers but the demolition was bungled. At least two witnesses that were inside WTC7 reported an explosion at that time, you can hear them at the 0:45:30 point in Part 2 of the following video:

http://www.calgary911truth.org/my_we...change-fi.html

And the demolition of WTC7 would be especially important if offices of the Department of Defense and CIA (the CIA's largest station outside Washington DC was located there) contained incriminating evidence about US government complicity in the 9/11 operation.
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