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13 Dec 08, 17:07
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3 Worst Tanks of WWII
Okay we had the 3 greatest, and Panther3485 did a great job, now the question is what are the 3 worst tanks of WWII?
My Nominees:
Matilda I: Super heavy tank with a single machine gun turret? What were you thinking?
L3/33 Tankette: Looks like a tracked shoebox with twin machine guns. Good against colonial opposition.
Hotchkiss H35: A modern version of the Renault FT-17. 2 man crew. Good grief.
Dishonourable mention
KV-2 Giant lumbering SPG gun that screams out to SHOOT ME! SHOOT ME! which the Germans did a lot.
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13 Dec 08, 17:17
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13 Dec 08, 17:47
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In fairness, the KV-2 was never intended to be a combat tank. It was meant to be purely for infantry support, specificaly to reduce strongpoints, much like the later Sturmpanzer.
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13 Dec 08, 18:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott Fraser
In fairness, the KV-2 was never intended to be a combat tank. It was meant to be purely for infantry support, specificaly to reduce strongpoints, much like the later Sturmpanzer.
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True. That was why I gave the PzKpfw I a pass. It was never intended to be anything more than a training tank. But still it saw combat!!   
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13 Dec 08, 20:44
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I know the M13 was not the worst, but what are you thoughts about Italian and Japanese tanks? Worst and best of that bunch.
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13 Dec 08, 21:08
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Best and Worst Japanese and Italian tanks.
Best Japanese
Type 97 Shinto-Chi-Ha. Based on the standard Type 97, but optimized with a high velocity 47mm Anti-Tank Gun.
Worst Japanese
Type 95: Worked okay in China when they didn't have tanks, but was killed by everybody who had even a modest tank or anti-tank capability.
Best Italian
P-40. 75mm and decent hull shape. Let down by subpar engine. Still would have been very good if produced in numbers.
Worst Italian
See 1st post in this thread. 
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13 Dec 08, 21:19
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HOw about a poll, like the other thread has?
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13 Dec 08, 21:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RichardS
"Worst Japanese
Type 95: Worked okay in China when they didn't have tanks, but was killed by everybody who had even a modest tank or anti-tank capability.

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Obviously, you haven't taken much of a look at many (if any) of the other Japanese light tanks and tankettes developed during the 1930's and still used in WW2. As feeble as the specs of the Type 95 Ha-Go may appear, this tank doesn't look anywhere near so bad when compared to some of its 'stable mates'. It was arguably the best Japanese light tank of WW2 (yeah, I know that may not be saying much in many ways); certainly the best of the types that were produced in any great numbers. In fact, during the war it was their most produced tank period, and formed a stubstantial part of the basis for the best amphibious tank of any nation in the entire war.
So yeah, it was kinda 'crap' in certain ways but there was 'crappier crap' around. 
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13 Dec 08, 22:08
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"Hotchkiss H35: A modern version of the Renault FT-17. 2 man crew. Good grief."

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In 1940, there were certainly some less capable French light tanks than this on the battlefields. Some of the AMR and AMC types spring to mind. Even some of the FT series were still being used. The Germans captured large numbers of the Hotchkiss light tanks - H-35, H-38 and H-39 - and used them quite extensively. (The illustration you provided would seem to be an H-39 btw, which was essentially the H-35 with an upgraded engine and an improved gun) 
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14 Dec 08, 09:15
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Finnish BT-42...
I haven't heard anything good about it...
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14 Dec 08, 13:30
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The L3 tankette wasn't so bad if you used it as a tankette (against abyssinian troops, rebel or guerrilla units, or like a mobile pillbox...)! The problem starts when you think to have 3 armoured division based upon 10-12 L3 battalions... 
The worst tank, IMO, was the M11/39 
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14 Dec 08, 13:31
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Quote:
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Finnish BT-42...
I haven't heard anything good about it...
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BT-42 is not a tank!
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14 Dec 08, 13:36
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As far as I've understood it had a rotating turret (I might be wrong), so in my books it would be counted as a tank.
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14 Dec 08, 14:37
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HOw about a poll, like the other thread has?
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I thought it would be easier for everybody to just name theirs as there are so many to choose from.
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14 Dec 08, 14:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by panther3485
Obviously, you haven't taken much of a look at many (if any) of the other Japanese light tanks and tankettes developed during the 1930's and still used in WW2. As feeble as the specs of the Type 95 Ha-Go may appear, this tank doesn't look anywhere near so bad when compared to some of its 'stable mates'. It was arguably the best Japanese light tank of WW2 (yeah, I know that may not be saying much in many ways); certainly the best of the types that were produced in any great numbers. In fact, during the war it was their most produced tank period, and formed a stubstantial part of the basis for the best amphibious tank of any nation in the entire war.
So yeah, it was kinda 'crap' in certain ways but there was 'crappier crap' around. 
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I knew about the Japanese tankettes and such, but after giving the L33 an award I'd figure more tankettes would be overkill. So I went for a real tank made in numbers that was pure crap. 
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