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Special Forces RANK

Just for fun give me your top five Special Forces. Dont need a reason just want to see how people rank them.

1. Delta
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3. SAS (British or Kiwi)
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Is that your top five? 'if so, where have you been living????
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1 - British/Commonwealth SAS
2 - US Army Delta Force
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Is that your top five? 'if so, where have you been living????
Where's your list?
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1)SAS (UK) Original and best. All else follows.
2)SBS (UK)
3)Shayetet 13 (Israel)
4)Delta (US)= Australia/New Zealand SAS
5)1er RPIMa (France)

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Bull !!! -- While certain "Special" services might have unique skills for special conditions -- I believe the Special Forces of the United States Army are the best all around force - for their intended purpose -- which consists of a lot more than hostage rescue and storming a fortification.

Your ranking system needs more parameters upon which an evaluation should be based.
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So! you think that the SAS are just "hostage takers" and "fortification storming" Walla’s. It just goes to show how much you know about the SAS/SBS. The US Special forces, who' ( as with all other SF units) have based their special ops on the SAS/SBS doctrine and training. The SAS/SBS have proven themselves in covert & overt operations in the frozen south Atlantic, Far Eastern, African, South American Jungle, the Middle East & Balkans 'and yes, Domestic and foreign counter terrorist operations, and many, many, other operations that the public doesn’t know about. They infiltrate by land sea and air are expert in all types of combat, sabotage, explosives, communications, Battlefield first aid, Forward air control and a historical consistency second to none. ‘Show me a better record.

Though units, called troops, specialise in different tactical roles, the members rotate through those roles, becoming proficient in all the specialist skills. If you think that they are just terrorist & gun toting civilian, Killers, then you are very mistaken.
Inform me of the role that the US SF does better, 'apart that is' than having a larger manpower.

I remember reading a book by a respected ex US Special forces chap who used stars in his book to grade the different nations SFs, he only gave the top 5 stars to one unit, ‘it wasn’t American.

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So! you think that the SAS are just "hostage takers" and "fortification storming" Walla’s. It just goes to show how much you know about the SAS/SBS. The US Special forces, who' ( as with all other SF units) have based their special ops on the SAS/SBS doctrine and training. The SAS/SBS have proven themselves in covert & overt operations in the frozen south Atlantic, Far Eastern, African, South American Jungle, the Middle East & Balkans 'and yes, Domestic and foreign counter terrorist operations, and many, many, other operations that the public doesn’t know about. They infiltrate by land sea and air are expert in all types of combat, sabotage, explosives, communications, Battlefield first aid, Forward air control and a historical consistency second to none. ‘Show me a better record.

Though units, called troops, specialise in different tactical roles, the members rotate through those roles, becoming proficient in all the specialist skills. If you think that they are just terrorist & gun toting civilian, Killers, then you are very mistaken.
Inform me of the role that the US SF does better, 'apart that is' than having a larger manpower.

I remember reading a book by a respected ex US Special forces chap who used stars in his book to grade the different nations SFs, he only gave the top 5 stars to one unit, ‘it wasn’t American.

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First of all Paul, I will never denigrate the quality of any nations Special Forces -- by what ever name they happen to be called. Nor will I make light of the achievements of those forces. I didn't say that anyone "only" rescued hostages or stormed fortifications -- I listed those things as examples of specific missions - but not exclusive missions -- there is a difference.

When any force is required to be in the vanguard protecting their country against all others, they deserve our respect.

It is only natural for everyone to think their unit was the very best - and I do exactly that. I was in the 10th Special Forces at Flint Kaserne in Bad Tolz Germany and I can only say that we had some very special people in our unit. I wasn't one - I was in communications and had specific responsibilities - but we had some outstanding people on our teams - and I respect their valor and dedication.

So praise your boys all you want -- you have my full support in that endeavor -- but DO NOT devalue the service of MY people -- that isn't acceptable here - or anywhere !
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Can you please point out where I am devaluing the US SF or any other unit.
I was responding to the; "which consists of a lot more than hostage rescue and storming a fortification" Quote that you posted. I also have had many years in the Army (UK) and I have met many Soldiers from many European Nations and the US on attachment, and from varying arms of service and I can honestly say that they/I parted company(Though not always sober) with my utter respect and friendship.

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Can you please point out where I am devaluing the US SF or any other unit.
I was responding to the; "which consists of a lot more than hostage rescue and storming a fortification" Quote that you posted. I also have had many years in the Army (UK) and I have met many Soldiers from many European Nations and the US on attachment, and from varying arms of service and I can honestly say that they/I parted company(Though not always sober) with my utter respect and friendship.

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I may be a little over protective -- this is what I objected to in your post: "Inform me of the role that the US SF does better, 'apart that is' than having a larger manpower." -- being a larger force doesn't make our Special Forces less qualified than any other -- we just happen to have more of them.

That being said, I'm glad you have mutual respect exchanged for all
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If I wanted to 'dis' the US Army, I would have been to the point and said that they were 'bad' troops,’ which I haven’t and NEVER would. But 'as far as I'm concerned' the SAS are second to None, and always will be in my book
This does not detract from the fact that the US & ALLIED forces are ALL brave to a fault in defending and laying down their lives for our rights as free peoples, and trying to Win a better life for those people of Afghanistan and Iraq.

This is the last that I will comment on this subject. Don’t think this post is being brash, it isn’t. Perhaps ‘As the saying goes; “we are divided by a common language”

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No -- I don't consider your post as being brash -- you have every right to be proud of the Special Air Service -- just as I do of our own Special Forces -- it's natural to be proud of your own -- keep it up
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I appreciate all who posted on this but i just wanted you to know that I stressed the importance of not needing to know a reason. For the fact that somebody would take offense to his or her country which was not my reason for posting. If you feel like I offended you or your country well sorry but that is just my opinion, and maybe yes I have been living under a rock but that is all I know about SF because they are so good at what they do to remain covert and discrete. I am proud of the men and women who serve in our Special Forces community of all nations. Just for laughs I should have put up there "RAINBOW" I am sure that would have made a few of you laugh!

Paul can you recall the book you read where it ranked the SF community I would like to read more into this.

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I read the book some time ago. I will try to find out, though it will be tricky as I cant remember the title or author.

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