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Jordanian Army Equipment 1967-73?

I'm trying to find some information on Jordanian army equipment used in the 1967 and 1973 wars. There is scant information available on the net and nothing in the few books I have on the subject. I know that in 1967 they were dressed mostly in British style uniforms and had M-47/8 and Centurion tanks. I'm not sure whether they continued to wear these uniforms in 1973. From what little I could find on the net, I think they may have used US-issued small arms, such as the M1 Garand, but am not 100% sure.

I'm looking to use this information in a Squad Battles mod I'm putting together. Any help in tracking down what weapons were used and style of uniform post-67 would be greatly appreciated.
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Jordanian Army in 1967

Weapons - US 0.3 inch M1 rifle.

Equipment - British 1937 pattern webbing set consisting of web belt and shoulder straps with several small ammo pouches.

Uniform - British "tin hat" steel helmet with camo net cover, black ankle boots with British gaiters and a unique to the region, khaki herringbone twill (HBT) shirt & trousers.

Tanks - With the demise of the Arab Legion came the birth of the Jordanian Army. Although they had 100 Centurion and 300 M47 and M48 tanks at the start of the 6 Day War

http://www.diggerhistory3.info/comba...t08-jordan.htm
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Thanks! I actually stumbled across that link which helped confirm for me the uniform, although as you can see the weapon is mostly hidden. But it's good to know that they did indeed use the M1.

I'm assuming they went through some reorganization/reequipping following the end of the Six Day War. It'll be interesting to learn whether they stuck with the British uniform, M1 etc for the 73 war.

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The funny thing is that in 1967, both IDF and Jordanian army had M-48s fighting each other, that made it a bit difficult probably.

As you know, Jordan had no intention to get in on the 1973 war (so much as they tipped us off about it) other than maybe if they were sure of the Arab nations success and would try to snatch Jerusalem.
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Royal Jordanian Land Force
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Jordanian_Land_Force

Jordanian Armed Forces
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_Jordan

Jordan Armed Forces
http://www.jaf.mil.jo/english/index....tpage&Itemid=1

Sorry not much help I am afraid.

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@Golani: that is interesting! As Jordan's role in the 73 war was relatively minor (I see they sent an armored brigade to Syria, however), I will probably focus on their involvement in the Six Day War. The accounts of the same weapons platforms battling against each other, such as the M48s - and I know of one instance where Spitfires fought against each other earlier - is really interesting. In those circumstances I'd imagine that training and tactics would determine who wins the day.

@Adrian: thanks for the links! The JAF site provides a nice, albeit succinct, history of Jordan's military.
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@Golani: that is interesting! As Jordan's role in the 73 war was relatively minor (I see they sent an armored brigade to Syria, however), I will probably focus on their involvement in the Six Day War. The accounts of the same weapons platforms battling against each other, such as the M48s - and I know of one instance where Spitfires fought against each other earlier - is really interesting. In those circumstances I'd imagine that training and tactics would determine who wins the day.

@Adrian: thanks for the links! The JAF site provides a nice, albeit succinct, history of Jordan's military.
Yup, they did send a tank brigade to Syria, but as far as I know it did see any action.
What I was reffering to anyway is that before the war king Hussain and Golda Meir had a secert meeting in which the king warned Golda of the upcoming Syrian-Egyptian attack.
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a high probability there is some good stuff about the Jordanian Army in the following site, difficult to find it though without good Arabic language skills.

http://defense-arab.com/index.php

the photos and video section I think requires a sign up but the rest seems open access

not Jordanian orientated but interesting set of photos, 1 of 7 posts:

http://defense-arab.com/t12389.html

for these look for the numbers 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 or 7 followed by 1973 on this page

http://defense-arab.com/f68.html

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A good find. As you say, it's difficult to navigate through without the language skills.

I did find that Jordan had a 4x4 armored car at that time: the Mk 4F(based on the South African Mk 4), which they had upgraded to allow it to fire a 6 pdr gun. I see they also used the M113.

I just need to find now what light machine gun they used at squad/platoon level.

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there's a colour sketch of a Royal Jordanian Armored Corps sergeant here

http://defense-arab.com/t12395.html

M47 & M48 Jordan

http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&...5uVlU#PPA18,M1

M52 Self Propelled Gun
http://www.davidpride.com/Israeli_Ar...L_Armor044.jpg
This U.S. made self propelled gun was used by the Jordanian Army during the 1960s and fell into Israeli hands on the West Bank during the Six Day War (1967).

Jordanian M52 105mm Howitzer "Tank" after the 6-day-war

http://www.panoramio.com/photo/10243907

Jordan in the 67 and 73 Wars

http://books.google.ie/books?id=tFRP...sult#PPA306,M1


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Great photos. I've seen a number of them on Military Photos, but there's a lot of new ones too.
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The funny thing is that in 1967, both IDF and Jordanian army had M-48s fighting each other, that made it a bit difficult probably.
Actually not. IDF mechanizsed units fighting on West Bank were all equipped with various M4 Sherman variants.

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No way. Since Israel helped Amman fend off Syrian intervention in autumn 1970, Israel and Jordan had a secret non-aggression pact. No way in hell would Jordan attack Israel again.

Only after immense pressure from other Arab countries did they send one brigade to Syria (reinforced by another, in late October 1973). The rest of Jordanian military wasn't even mobilized in 1973.
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would they have used WWII British canteens like these? with a cork top and a tan web carrier?
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I have made this list for some another project.I know it is really far from 100% accurate, especially regarding service phasing out,yet that is the best thing I was able to make alone.Correction is very welcome,if you can help.

Recon vehicles
  • Saladin (1964-2005?)
  • Ferret APC (1954-today)
  • FV101 Scorpion (1981-today))

Infantry
  • M-20 Super-Bazooka (1955-1984?)
  • Apilas (1984?-today)
  • M47 Dragon (1976-1987)
  • LAW-80 (to replace M47 Dragon!) (1987-today)

Tanks
  • Centurion Mark V (1954-1967)
  • Patton M47 (1965-198??)
  • Patton M48 (1966-1982)
  • Centurion Mark IX (1967-1984)
  • Patton M48A5 (1982-today)
  • Patton M60A1 (1977-199?)
  • Al Khalid (Chieftain) (1981-today)
  • Tariq (modernized Centurion) (1982-today)
  • Patton M60A3 (1984-today))

Mechanized
  • Saracen APC (1964-19??)
  • M113A1 (1966-1991+ or something like that, modernized to A2)

Support
  • Duster M42A1 (1970-reserve today)
  • M163 VADS (1974-today)
  • Shilka (1982-today)
  • SA-8 Gecko (OSA-A) (1982-today)
  • SA-9 (1984-1991??)
  • SA-13 Gopher (1985-today)
  • MANPADs (1977-today)
  • M901ITV (1981-today)
  • TOW (1974-today)
  • M-40 RL (1968?-today)
  • M74 Dragon (1976-1987)
  • Chariotter MK-7 84.6mm TD (1953?-1969?)
  • Archer 76mm TD (1953-1969)
  • 17 Pdr. gun (1951-1969?)
Planes
  • Hunter fighter-bomber (1959-1974)
  • Mirage F-1E (1983-today)
  • F-5E Tiger II (1975-today)
  • Cobra AH-1S (1984-today)
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