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Thoughts on over-all Russian Performance

Ignoring for the moment the legal, moral, and strategic arguments, what have we learned about the tactical and operational capabilities of the Russian Army?

To kick things off, start with this - In Georgia, Russia saw its Army's shortcomings

I noted one or two minor errors but please add your comments.
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Cell phones instead of Radio's -- No Night Vision -- Ineffective main armor - no intelligence to rely on -- a sad state of affairs for any military -- Russia has a lot of work to do and very limited facilities available to get the work done .
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Yes very true, the magnitude of the Russian victory is more due to the badness of the Geogian army, however it is also a testament to the fighting spirit of the Russian army to be able to succeed in spite of these shortcomings.
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Sorry, Gary, I know you don't want to go immediately to strategic matters, but the projected six carriers sticks out like a sore thumb. Carriers are, of course, a power projection weapon. What target is Russia looking at that requires carriers? We have serious concerns about control of the straits through which oil passes and there carriers are a sensible answer. Russia as a sea power? Not particularly worried about it, but quite a strange way for a landpower to deal with what they percieve as threats from the Ukraine and China.
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Sorry, Gary, I know you don't want to go immediately to strategic matters, but the projected six carriers sticks out like a sore thumb. Carriers are, of course, a power projection weapon. What target is Russia looking at that requires carriers? We have serious concerns about control of the straits through which oil passes and there carriers are a sensible answer. Russia as a sea power? Not particularly worried about it, but quite a strange way for a landpower to deal with what they percieve as threats from the Ukraine and China.
Russia, if they are smart, doesn't want to get caught trying to catch the US in ALL areas - they need to focus on what works best for them. Defending 11 time zones is a monumental task - and doesn't need carriers. First priority has to be communication !! (sorry -- I'm a former 10th SFG communications guy) second is Intel capability -- third is land force improvement - all across the board - fourth is Air and last is Navy

I think they have their priorities misplaced - primarily due to wanting to "show the flag" more than wanting to project power.
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Agree with Emil that good soldiers will find a way to get things done even with bad equipment. It should probably not be at all surprising that there were many problems with equipment and procedures. Aside from lack of funding and dependence on conscripts (fine for the 'big war', not so great when you what to look efficient) we forget that it has been a long time since Russia was in a shooting war. Lessons get lost, assumptions are made about how effective new weapons are.
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Long? Not too long...1999. I agree on conscription, it is very bad, and creates many problems in the Russian army. However, they can't just cut it out immediately, they lowered the time to 1 year (from 2), but there is no serious legislation to completely get rid of conscription afaik.
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One year of training isn't enough to teach anything of a specialized nature -- those guys won't even be any good as recall reserves when experienced people are needed. If they can't get enough volunteers - they damned sure shouldn't shorten compulsory service - they need to lengthen it.
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Too many people dodged the draft as it was, and a lot of people still dodge it. I think they can squeeze 2 years worth of training into 1 if they actually worked it out.
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Too many people dodged the draft as it was, and a lot of people still dodge it. I think they can squeeze 2 years worth of training into 1 if they actually worked it out.
Good luck with that -- All to familiar with the draft dogers - had plenty of those here in the US as well when we still had a draft -- disgusting !
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I don't blame them. No one should be forced to join the army.
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I don't blame them. No one should be forced to join the army.
If there are sufficient volunteers for an "all volunteer military" that's fine - but when that isn't working out something more drastic is called for -- can't leave a country undefended because it's citizens lack patriotism.
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In the USSR conscription was mandatory because it was part of the conditioning of the citizens...
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In the USSR conscription was mandatory because it was part of the conditioning of the citizens...
Has that carried over to the Federation ?
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Well they didn't abolish it, did they. However the present day needs of the Russian army are really more Andrey's domain. I don't really know.
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