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Old 23 Sep 08, 15:34
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Moscow Can Now Offer Russian Citizenship to Eight Million Ukrainians

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Under the terms of new legislation nominally intended to promote the repatriation of “Russian compatriots” and thus help solve Russia’s demographic problems, Moscow can now offer Russian Federation citizenship to more than eight million Ukrainians, even though the Ukrainian constitution prohibits dual citizenship.
Had Moscow taken this step six months ago, Verkhovna Rada deputy Kseniya Lyapina told Kyiv’s “Delo” yesterday, “it might have been possible to consider this as part of Russia’s domestic policy.” But after Moscow’s invocation of its right to protect Russian citizens in South Ossetia, these changes look like “preparation for aggressive actions” (delo.ua/news/87411/).
http://windowoneurasia.blogspot.com/...now-offer.html
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Well, the logical step for anyone fearing Moscow invoking its right to protect Russian citizens is to not give those citizens a reason to be protected, like as in not attacking and killing them. Simple enough?
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Well, first step - Abkhasia and S.Osetia, next - East Ukraine or Crimea, Dniester area in Moldavia, minority in Estonia or Latvia, and the last corridor to the Kaliningrad district?

Compare this to the remilitarisation of the Rhineland, Austria anschluss, Sudettenland, Memel anexion, and the last corridor to the East Prussia.

I'll give 3 years.
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Well, first step - Abkhasia and S.Osetia, next - East Ukraine or Crimea, Dniester area in Moldavia, minority in Estonia or Latvia, and the last corridor to the Kaliningrad district?

Compare this to the remilitarisation of the Rhineland, Austria anschluss, Sudettenland, Memel anexion, and the last corridor to the East Prussia.

I'll give 3 years.
Well they don´t need to acept the citizenship do they?
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Wait, I know, let's give US citizenship to 10 million French Canadians, piss off the their English speaking counterparts, then we can invade Canada and abosorb Quebeq! Hey, it worked for Russia!
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We don't need to invade Quebec, the US controls Canada as it is.
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lets give it to mexicans - than we will have uninhebited theritories south of US
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US/CAN/MEX will be one state soon enough. Borders are nothing but lines on a map. They only matter for warlike nationalists.
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Well, the logical step for anyone fearing Moscow invoking its right to protect Russian citizens is to not give those citizens a reason to be protected, like as in not attacking and killing them. Simple enough?
Or they could also order them deported them from Ukraine in order to prevent any future recourse from Russia.
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Yeah that would be totally cool! Deporting 8 million people from their homes, no problem.
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It has happened before. Please forgive the wiki use. All I'm suggesting is that this could backfire on them.
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Do you think this is a viable option for the Ukranian government? Really?
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Do you think this is a viable option for the Ukranian government? Really?
Not unless they have a high birth rate and are looking to secure their children's employment. I'd wager that the 8 million Russians in the Ukraine are a valuable and needed part of the Ukranian economy.

However if push came to shove with the existence of the Ukrainian nation at stake, I've got a feeling that fervent nationalism will rear its ugly head once more.
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Another from Paul Goble's Window on Eurasia blog;



http://windowoneurasia.blogspot.com/...now-offer.html
There were Russian programs concerning the repatriation of “Russian compatriots” in past Last year 150 persons or so from Ukraine made up their mind to move to Russia and change citizenship under those programs. The number of people from the RF who asked for Ukrainian citizenship and moved to Ukraine was much higher last year. It is a small wonder that it is hard to find someone ready to move to some RF's town of "Muhasrank" in some depressive RF's region that are the only destinations for Russian repatriates under those programs.

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However if push came to shove with the existence of the Ukrainian nation at stake, I've got a feeling that fervent nationalism will rear its ugly head once more.
Is Russia *totally* sure that Ukraine gave back all those Soviet-era nukes???
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