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What does Georgia have to do with Beslan? Chechnya sepratists were responsible for that.
By the time of Beslan terroristic act there was no terrorist bases in Chechnya
Thouse terrorists came from georgia territory

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By the time of Beslan terroristic act there was no terrorist bases in Chechnya
Thouse terrorists came from georgia territory

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Still doesn't tie the Georgian govt. to them though. Try harder comrade!
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Still doesn't tie the Georgian govt. to them though. Try harder comrade!
Georgian goverment
covertly suppurted them staying there

it is a prooven fact that thay well knew a fact that in kodoria was a few strong terrorist bases that was there from early 90`s
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It was relay bases of al-qaeda supporting terrorists in chechnya
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It was relay bases of al-qaeda supporting terrorists in chechnya
Still no govt. tie to Beslan.You make all these accusations,but do not back them up with facts. You aren't helping your case comrade.
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Still no govt. tie to Beslan.You make all these accusations,but do not back them up with facts. You aren't helping your case comrade.
If there was evidence that you can bring to a room out troops was at tbilisi next week from beslan

but it was a covert conspiracy so no material proof are left
at least in public

but bases was real so imagine a base of al-qaeda somewere in texas
would Us gov never aware of it?
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If there was evidence that you can bring to a room out troops was at tbilisi next week from beslan

but it was a covert conspiracy so no material proof are left
at least in public

but bases was real so imagine a base of al-qaeda somewere in texas
would Us gov never aware of it?
Ah,so in in the absence of proof make something up. Sounds like something Hitler would do.Eh,comrade?
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Ah,so in in the absence of proof make something up. Sounds like something Hitler would do.Eh,comrade?
Nope
but obviously terrorists never based somewhere in russia so you trying to say they falled from the sky?
unofficialy we and ossetians are know well who`s responcible
but has no proof
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Nope
but obviously terrorists never based somewhere in russia so you trying to say they falled from the sky?
unofficialy we and ossetians are know well who`s responcible
but has no proof
If you dont have any proof,how do you know they didn't originate from Russia? The tooth fairy tell you?
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If you dont have any proof,how do you know they didn't originate from Russia? The tooth fairy tell you?
Because real leads was lost at borders of georgia
no matter waht you think about us we respect borders of other countries
so it is turn of georgia officials to proove facts
but it obviously not in their interest now
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Because real leads was lost at borders of georgia
no matter waht you think about us we respect borders of other countries
so it is turn of georgia officials to proove facts
but it obviously not in their interest now
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Because real leads was lost at borders of georgia
no matter waht you think about us we respect borders of other countries
so it is turn of georgia officials to proove facts
but it obviously not in their interest now
How do you know the Kremlin didn't cover it up? Respect other borders,hmm...Estonia,Latvia,Finland,Mongolia,Pola nd,etc,etc, might have something to say about that.
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If I may put my couple cents on this. What does South Ossetia have that Georgia needs? How many families are divided by the boarder? I say give South Ossetia to Russia, but thats it! There is no need for Russia to attack Anything outside of that!
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i hope that Russia will not do the mistake to remain for long on Georgian territory. but it may be that it needs to swipe clean staging areas for attacks, etc. so like Pershing in Mexico, there may be the need to go in, take out some forces and bases and then retreat to the ossetian and abkhazian border.

remember that if reports are correct, Georgian troops used MLRS on civilian targets in Ossetia (MLRS is not exactly a precision weapon) and russia probably wants to neutralize that.
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How do you know the Kremlin didn't cover it up? Respect other borders,hmm...Estonia,Latvia,Finland,Mongolia,Pola nd,etc,etc, might have something to say about that.
it's true that empires have their way on that. but look, everybody has, USA first right? from indians, Philipines, Cuba to Iraq. but let's not (me first) accuse the US - I think they are not that much to blame as some think on this one.

what is the real point here is these questions:
- Have South Ossetians and Abkhazians the right to self determination?
- Is Russia right to use it's power on it's borders?

I think for the first yes, and for the second yes, as much as western nations did on Kosovo (I knew then that that was a Pandora's box, indeed a tribute to Clinton and Albright's folly).

hey for this once, there is not much to blame on Bush Jr!! it's all Clinton!
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