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South Ossetian Conflict Discuss the conflict between Georgia and Russia over South Ossetia.

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Old 11 Aug 08, 11:42
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Assault on Georgia! Exclusive Military Analysis on South Ossetia by Ralph Peters

Raph Peters, author of Looking for Trouble and Wars of Blood and Faith: The Conflicts that will Shape the 21st Century, provides insights into Russia's invasion of Georgia and the Russian military's performance there.... Full Article
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another silly "analytics"
author i think even not clearly know where a hell is tzhivali? is it somewhere near Atlanta?
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Got this little farce bang to rights he has. I thought this too.Too quick to respond to the Georgian move. The Russian forces have been ready to go from the word go. They've been mobilized for weeks.
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When it`s all over i swear to open a thead where all of you guy`s will bring apologizes to russia
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Jukov, for Georgia's sake i really hope so. I am not holding my breath though.
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not for only georgia`s sake but ossetians russians and for your sake to soldier
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Jukov, for some odd reason I keep remembering the Russian rocket attack on Georgia last year where Russia protested innocence only to be proven lying by international experts. Then the UN weaseled out on stating the obvious, but the implication of ruled out Georgia is quite clear.
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Jukov, for some odd reason I keep remembering the Russian rocket attack on Georgia last year where Russia protested innocence only to be proven lying by international experts. Then the UN weaseled out on stating the obvious, but the implication of ruled out Georgia is quite clear.
i`m begining tired of this crap
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another silly "analytics"
author i think even not clearly know where a hell is tzhivali? is it somewhere near Atlanta?

i`m begining tired of this crap
Ralph Peters is a retired U.S. Army intelligence officer and a respected author. His credentials make his "analytics" worth condsideration, and I speculate that his sense of geography is more qualified than you might think.

You, however, seem to have no appeal.
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This was a very interesting piece - and it does provide a fascinating insight - whether you agree with the views or not, the speed of the Russian operation was suspiciously fast, indicating methodical planning well in advance.

I don't think I'll be apologising to Russia any time soon.

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Ralph Peters is a retired U.S. Army intelligence officer and a respected author. His credentials make his "analytics" worth condsideration, and I speculate that his sense of geography is more qualified than you might think.

You, however, seem to have no appeal.
look at my medals i suppose they also mean something to you right?
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This was a very interesting piece - and it does provide a fascinating insight - whether you agree with the views or not, the speed of the Russian operation was suspiciously fast, indicating methodical planning well in advance.

I don't think I'll be apologising to Russia any time soon.

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Fast speed of operation? whoahh
if it was a full scale operation russian vdv spetznaz got saakashvilli pulled by the hairs right here at 8`th august evening

if it was our objetcitve
but it is not so try to at least imagine that we are saying a truth
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but it is not so try to at least imagine that we are saying a truth
That would require a hefty dose of wilful suspension of disbelief.
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IMHO not a bad analysis at all. I liked the stress on the sledgehammer aspect of the Russian modus operandi. The historian in me is tempted to see a parallel with the Finland of the Winter War of 1939 or with Chechnya in 1994 when Russian tank columns were turned into burning hulks.


What I would like to add here is some diplomacy: the support Georgia has enjoyed from the US for training and Israel for equipment prior to the conflict.

The US started in 2002 the 'Georgian Equip and Train Program' in order to enable the Georgian armed forces to combat Al-Qaeda in the mountainous border areas.
This program was followed later by the 'Georgia Sustain & Stability Operations Program', training Georgian forces for deployment in Iraq.

Israel in the mean time equipped the Georgian infantry with new weapons and communication equipment; Georgia's SU-25 ground attack planes were upgraded and Israel equipped Georgia with the Hermes-450 reconnaissance drone (famous for its picture on which the world saw a rocket fired by a Russian Mig-29 closing in on the drone till we saw snow. Israel withdrew its support for Israel only as recent as the beginning of August 2008 under Russian pressure, according to certain Israeli sources under the understanding that Russia stopped its delivery of advanced S-300 anti-air batteries.

In spite of the above David vs Goliath picture it seems to me that still the Russian superiority in numbers is such that we may watch a Russo-Finnish war revisited, which ended in 1940.
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IMHO not a bad analysis at all. I liked the stress on the sledgehammer aspect of the Russian modus operandi. The historian in me is tempted to see a parallel with the Finland of the Winter War of 1939 or with Chechnya in 1994 when Russian tank columns were turned into burning hulks.


What I would like to add here is some diplomacy: the support Georgia has enjoyed from the US for training and Israel for equipment prior to the conflict.

The US started in 2002 the 'Georgian Equip and Train Program' in order to enable the Georgian armed forces to combat Al-Qaeda in the mountainous border areas.
This program was followed later by the 'Georgia Sustain & Stability Operations Program', training Georgian forces for deployment in Iraq.

Israel in the mean time equipped the Georgian infantry with new weapons and communication equipment; Georgia's SU-25 ground attack planes were upgraded and Israel equipped Georgia with the Hermes-450 reconnaissance drone (famous for its picture on which the world saw a rocket fired by a Russian Mig-29 closing in on the drone till we saw snow. Israel withdrew its support for Israel only as recent as the beginning of August 2008 under Russian pressure, according to certain Israeli sources under the understanding that Russia stopped its delivery of advanced S-300 anti-air batteries.

In spite of the above David vs Goliath picture it seems to me that still the Russian superiority in numbers is such that we may watch a Russo-Finnish war revisited, which ended in 1940.
bhahaha al-qaeda
georgians in fact SUPPORTED al-quaeda on their territory
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