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Old 17 May 08, 18:12
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Identity Theft and Illegal Immigration

May 16, 2008

Steven Malanga
Illegal in More Ways than One

Identity theft in America goes hand and hand with illegal immigration.
As everyone knows, America is experiencing an epidemic of identity theft. In the last five years alone, complaints to the Federal Trade Commission from U.S. residents who have had their identity stolen have skyrocketed 60 percent, to 258,427 in 2007—one-third of all consumer fraud complaints that the commission receives.

What’s less well understood, however, is how illegal immigration is helping to fuel this rash of crime. Seeking access to jobs, credit, and driver’s licenses, many undocumented aliens are using the personal data of real Americans on forged documents. The immigrants’ identity theft has become so pervasive that the need to combat it is “a disturbing front in the war against illegal immigration,” according to U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement...

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Actually, there is a case in front of the court presently which addresses this very issue. There was a law passed which now charges illegal aliens with identity fraud in addition to violating immigration law which when convicted, adds a minimum 2 year prison sentence for the crime of identity theft. The illegal alien charged in this instance, is contending that he used the identity merely to obtain employment not to inflict intention harm by using it to falsely obtain credit and therefore he should not be subject to the identity theft laws. The case has not yet been decided though it looks unlikely that the 20 or so illegal alien defense organizations which have come to his defense are loosing their argument because as you well know, the victim still suffers damages.
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In one of my first jobs in the mid 80's in Southeastern Massachusetts we had a lot of "undocumented immigrants". I had a maintenance guy working for me who had excellent skills, good do many trades. His name on his pay check was Faustos, but he wanted to be called George. Simple enough. We then had a couple more guys come in soon thereafter. Same thing. Call me this name, not my name on the paycheck. My boss had to explain that there a guy in Brockton who just kept selling the numbers to people. Also not too hard for these guys to get phony licenses (At least a few years later a few people on the inside got caught and got in big trouble)
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Here's how I see it.

You live next to Mexico, a nation famous for wanting in whether you like it or not.

And your own concepts of freedom and justice are clearly faulty as displayed by how efficiently they are able to stay in your country, whether you like it or not.

Either you stop letting them in and forcibly return anyone found already present, or you stomache the reality that you need to re write you precious documents that define the fundemental truths of your freedom.

I think a lot of guys with guns at the border and goon squads in the night would probably be easier than re writing your countries documents. But I don't expect either to actually work.

To some extent, your country's illegals is a problem you have left too long to fix. You could always just give them California back eh.
Tell all real Americans with proof (that they are) they can either stay and no longer be Americans, or get in line at the new border and go find a new home somewhere else in America.
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LB - you hit the nail on the head. There are too many people and organizations in this country who are just bleeding hearts for these poor oppressed (ILLEGAL) immigrants. Until the government gets its act together and backs up some of the laws that are already on the books, I can't see anything positive forthcoming on this issue.
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There is no "war on illegals", not even a skirmish. The American government has followed a meaningless policy for decades, and has been very careful to avoid actually accomplishing anything.

The Democrats, depending as they do on minorities as one of their supports, will do even less, unless they can find a way to allow all of the illegals to vote for them.
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