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Arrow Video: The Battle of Long Tan

Found this 25 mins long doco about Long Tan, has interviews with ATF and VC veterans and a detailed account of the battle:

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Somewhere someone has already done the identifying of OUR (173D / and 1 RAR Aussies) enemy at Bien Hoa, etc - I don't know how they manage all that research time.

Also, when 6 RAR (Aussies) fought their Long Tan battle, they knew who their enemy were - one unit was 1 Bn NVA - but of course Radio Hanoi stated that NO regular NVA troops operated in the south.

Also involved was D445 Bn - the local provincial bn. And 275 Main Force Regt (3 Bns) - which, after the battle, was out of action for months, with only 300 remaining.

Must have been some heroic VC - as Radio Hanoi reported: " over 500 Australians - almost a complete Bn - were wiped out. Three M113 armoured cars were set on fire, a jet fighter was downed . . and the day before, 100 Australian mercenaries were wiped out." (Probably all done with ONE bullet, as well).

From 6 RAR's body count (not an estimate): 245 enemy KIA. Many graves were found later - with a POSSIBLE 150 KIA, and there were an ESTIMATED 500 WIA.

A D445 pl cmdr - who later defected - repeated the Radio Hanoi report, in an interview with an Australian historian - and said that they lost only 30 men. But later another VC cmdr acknowledged 500 KIA.

It was estimated that there were 2500 enemy, with 1000 launching the initial attack - against 100 Australians (D Company). The Australian losses were 18 KIA & 24 WIA.

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Also, when 6 RAR (Aussies) fought their Long Tan battle, they knew who their enemy were - one unit was 1 Bn NVA - but of course Radio Hanoi stated that NO regular NVA troops operated in the south.
This is interesting, I've never read about any NVA units fighting at Long Tan, do you know which battalion it was?
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No, in the few books I've perused, there IS mention of a Bn of NVA - but no identification of the exact unit. There is also identification of 2 captured being NVA. They carried AK47 or SKS rifles and were well-equipped.

The books I checked are Ian McNeill's "TO LONG TAN", the official Australian history - and AUSTRALIANS IN VIETNAM (Michael P. Tracey), an Aust Defence Force book.

It was reported that it was the first time that units of the NVA had been identified in battle with the Aust Task Force - and even as far south.

Oddly, in one of the books it states that a Colonel of the 5th VIET CONG Division - Nguyen Than Hong - a senior officer, directed the battle plan.
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It was reported that it was the first time that units of the NVA had been identified in battle with the Aust Task Force - and even as far south.
Yes, this is whats interesting. There were a few NVA units in III Corps in August 1966, mostly from the 101st Regiment, but they operated north of Saigon in War Zone C, maybe the slipped a battalion in Phuoc Tuy to reinforce the attack.

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Oddly, in one of the books it states that a Colonel of the 5th VIET CONG Division - Nguyen Than Hong - a senior officer, directed the battle plan.
This is not that odd, the 275th Regiment was part of the 5th VC Division.
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I thought it odd that a Colonel - from the VC Division - would be directing the battle plan, rather than an NVA official. But of course they "weren't in the south", were they?

Lex McAulay wrote THE BATTLE OF LONG TAN - so I've asked him if he can clarify it for you.

I see that there's to be "a feature film, a fictionalised account written and directed by prominent Australian filmmaker Bruce Beresford, and entitled "Long Tan", scheduled for release in 2008". Have you heard of that also? Hugh Jackman to star?? - or Nicole Kidman starring (as a young infantry soldier, singing Bob Dylan songs)??


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Moved all out posts about Long Tan in here not to hijack Ken's thread

I've heard about the movie being made yes, but there isn't much info about it yet on IMDb: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0441881/

Did you see the 2006 documentary made for the History Channel? it looked really great but unfortunately it was never shown over here.

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In October '65, at LZ X-Ray and ALBANY, the 1st Air Cavalry was definitely in contact with the 32nd & 33rd Nth Vietnamese Regts (325th Div). But the story of the Ia Drang Valley has been told many times.

In November '65, captured documents identified some battalions that were decimated by 1/503 (on Operation HUMP) as being part of VC 271st Regiment. One of the battalions, the 501st, re-appeared against the 173D in March 1966 - by which time 90% of its strength was made up of North Vietnamese reinforcements.

In our part of Operation HUMP we killed a few enemy dressed in khaki uniforms, with new webbing, and carrying new AK47 rifles. At the time we thought they may have been NVA. We also lost our first Australian MIAs on this Op.
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In our part of Operation HUMP we killed a few enemy dressed in khaki uniforms, with new webbing, and carrying new AK47 rifles. At the time we thought they may have been NVA. We also lost our first Australian MIAs on this Op.
That's two different things, regular NVA units coming from NVN and NVA replacements filling depleted units built in the South. But it doesn't really matter anymore nowadays, everyone recognize, even the vietnamese, that the NVA and VC were the same thing.
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BIG and RICH (US band) have released a song - The 8th of November - about one Vietnam vet's experience. It has significance for me also - the day we lost our two MIAs on Hill 82.

I saw that documentary on Long Tan. A good re-enactment.
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BIG and RICH (US band) have released a song - The 8th of November - about one Vietnam vet's experience. It has significance for me also - the day we lost our two MIAs on Hill 82.

I saw that documentary on Long Tan. A good re-enactment.
An headstone was planted a few years ago on the old Operation HUMP battlefield to commemorate the two MIAs:


Here's the Big & Rich song:

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Movie: - LONG TAN

Yep - I'm no stranger to both items.

BRUCE Beresford has signed up to write and direct the big budget Australian film on the Battle of Long Tan.

Long Tan, to be produced by Martin Walsh, will have a budget of up to $42 million, depending on casting and production specifications.

Martin was also involved in the Long Tan documentary.
"We filmed the Long Tan documentary recreations here -

Artillery - Palmerston North, New Zealand 16 Field Regiment RNZA
APC - Lavarack's Barracks, Townsville 3/4 Cavalry Regiment
Helicopter - Nowra, NSW
Infantry battle scenes - Bonogin, Queensland (not far from Brisbane)
Interviews - NSW, ACT, QLD, Vung Tau Vietnam."

"The script written by Bruce Beresford is complete. We are now currently working through casting a couple of the lead roles with well known Australian actors and raising finance. If everything goes to plan we will be in pre-production in early 2008.

"Most of the younger characters (19 to 22 year old diggers & platoon commanders) will be relatively unknown but extremely good young Australian actors and the older commanders (early 30's to mid 40's) and sergeants (mid to late 20's) etc will be known Australian actors (good ones!).

". . another draft of the script done by early April (2008). We will then secure lead cast and financing with a view to going into pre-production sometime between the middle of this year and the 3rd quarter, subject to cast availability etc."
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On Operation HUMP, we couldn't get hold of any choppers to evacuate our casualties, as all of them were evacuating 1/503's seriously wounded. Butch Williamson decided that the 1/503 casualties (49 KIA, 100 WIA) should be staged through a protected area provided by 1 RAR at LZ PRINCESS, and some of us also became part of the (US) Graves Registration Team.

The enemy KIA by 173D was 403 by body count, and later increased to about 700, when captured Viet Cong documents revealed the losses by artillery & airstrikes.

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What do you remember of Operation MARAUDER? the one that took place just before CRIMP in the Plain of Reeds; Hau Nghia Province.
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Not a thing, I'm afraid. My memory gets very selective at times. I may have been on R&C leave, perhaps. I've read the 1 RAR reports and no memories were triggered. There was one report of a Chinook towing out 7 bogged APCs - which would have been hard to forget.
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