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Old 09 Jun 07, 16:47
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Official Date for End of WW2 in Pacific/Europe?

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ok, I have a perplexing question for the Forum.

We all know the Japanese signed the documents for unconditional surrender on 2 September 1945. (BTW, it was shortly after that President Truman and his advisors submitted to Congress a bill stating that the most recent war should be called "World War II". Does anyone have any knowledge/
documentation of this?)

We also know that President Truman declared hostilities over for WW2 on 31 December 1946. (same request for documentation)

AND the Treaty of Peace with Japan (also known as the Treaty of San Francisco) was signed on 8 September 1951 (most countries ratifiying it in 1952 (some have still not!))).

My question is what is considered the "official" date for the end of WW2 in the Pacific (versus the actual day)?

The same questions hold true for Europe was well.

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May 8 and 9 for Europe I thought, well there was the surrender at Reims on May 8th at Eisenhower's HQ but the Soviets insisted on a repeat on May 9th in Berlin (since they captured Berlin after all) as well as to clear any lingering suspicion of a seperate peace.

In the Pacific, I think August 14th (date that Hirohito made his broadcast accepting surrender) or the official ceremony on September 2nd are as good dates as any.

I don't really consider the various peace treaties as war ending dates since that was the diplomatic clean up and settlement after the guns were silenced. The surrenders also were clearly more than the mere armistice that ended the Korean War in 1953.
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It started with the 1st shells fired. Same for the end, last shell.

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I'm sure the end of the pacific war was August 14, 1945.
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Actually there were a couple of incidents during 1946 when on one of the islands in the Pacific some of the Japanese holdouts actually raided a supply depot (I'll have to look up the details). They had to call in Marine reinforcements off-island to deal with them.

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Actually there were a couple of incidents during 1946 when on one of the islands in the Pacific some of the Japanese holdouts actually raided a supply depot (I'll have to look up the details). They had to call in Marine reinforcements off-island to deal with them.

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Actually there were a couple of incidents during 1946 when on one of the islands in the Pacific some of the Japanese holdouts actually raided a supply depot (I'll have to look up the details). They had to call in Marine reinforcements off-island to deal with them.

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Ok, but does that count, that's just clean up afterward isn't it?
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Ok, but does that count, that's just clean up afterward isn't it?
The 503rd Parachute Infantry Regiment might disagree. They engaged in combat ops until the last second of the war, and clean-up is surely a slight to their fighting. Like calling 'Nam a "police action." Clean-up is still war, until men stop being killed.

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I didn't mean to slight those guys or anyone else, but you see the difference between a clash involving several dozen or hundred troops and a full scale war with huge battles, bombing raids etc. I thought it was Korea that was a "police action" btw.
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Going the other way I reckon WW2 STARTED when the Japanese invaded manchuria. Exactly when it ended is very debatable... as has been mentioned some Japanese kept fighting until 1946 and Korea/Indo-China and the Malay emergency (to name a few) were direct continuations of conflicts started by WW2. Any end date is nominal..... its rather like Bush's 'Mission Accomplished' performance. MOST of the fighting might have been over at XX/YY/1945 but not all......
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Going the other way I reckon WW2 STARTED when the Japanese invaded manchuria. Exactly when it ended is very debatable... as has been mentioned some Japanese kept fighting until 1946 and Korea/Indo-China and the Malay emergency (to name a few) were direct continuations of conflicts started by WW2. Any end date is nominal..... its rather like Bush's 'Mission Accomplished' performance. MOST of the fighting might have been over at XX/YY/1945 but not all......
I thought the generally accepted date for VJ day was august 15th in anglo-saxon countries ?

In France, it's May 8th... .
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I thought the generally accepted date for VJ day was august 15th in anglo-saxon countries ?

In France, it's May 8th... .
And it seems a good enough date to pick, but as I said its like Bush's 'Mission accomplished' statement. The majority of the proper fighting WAS over by Aug 15th but conflicts kept rumbling away for decades in S.E asia.

Both the VC and the Chinese communists were equipped by the west to fight Japan and they kept us, and the french then americans fighting for years. Likewise in Europe the Greek civil war was between rival resistance factions in Greece and kicked off at Xmas 1944, but continued for 3 years so one part of Europe certainly didn't stop fighting in May 45.
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Gentlemen,

ok, I have a perplexing question for the Forum.

We all know the Japanese signed the documents for unconditional surrender on 2 September 1945. (BTW, it was shortly after that President Truman and his advisors submitted to Congress a bill stating that the most recent war should be called "World War II". Does anyone have any knowledge/
documentation of this?)

We also know that President Truman declared hostilities over for WW2 on 31 December 1946. (same request for documentation)

AND the Treaty of Peace with Japan (also known as the Treaty of San Francisco) was signed on 8 September 1951 (most countries ratifiying it in 1952 (some have still not!))).

My question is what is considered the "official" date for the end of WW2 in the Pacific (versus the actual day)?

The same questions hold true for Europe was well.

Regards,

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In terms of the essence of your question, I see nothing perplexing at all about this. Official dates:

The start of the 2nd World War is generally held to be 1 September 1939, with the German invasion of Poland.

The end of WW2 in Europe: VE Day, 8 May 1945.

The end of WW2 in the Pacific: Either August 14 1945 (August 15 in Japan - the date of the Armistice) or September 2 1945 (the date of the signing of the formal Japanese surrender.) Pick either one of these for the 'official' end of WW2 as a whole. However:

"In his announcement of Japan's surrender on August 14, President Truman said that "the proclamation of V-J Day must wait upon the formal signing of the surrender terms by Japan""

Of course, as individuals we can 'disagree' with these dates if we want to, for whatever reasons. Debate on this will be both endless and pointless. The dates given above are the ones generally agreed upon, as defining the start and finish of the conflict. The original question of the thread is therefore answered.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victory_over_Japan_Day
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In Yugoslavia war ended 15 of May actually heheh
The Battle of Poljana (Monday May 14 - Tuesday May 15, 1945) was the last battle of World War II in Europe. It started at Poljana, near the village of Prevalje in Yugoslavia, and was the culmination of a series of engagements between the Yugoslav Partisans and a large retreating Axis column, numbering in excess of 30,000 men. The column consisted of German (Wehrmacht), Ustaše, Montenegrin Chetniks, and Slovene Home Guard forces, as well as other fascist collaborationist factions who were attempting to escape into British-controlled Austria.

And U-Boot remained on see?I believe they never sunk anything..but still...
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