"No War Crime at No Gun Ri" - Web Rebuttal

[Siberian HEAT]

Robert Bateman’s article "No War Crime at No Gun Ri" (ACG January 2007) elicited a stinging rebuttal from Charles J. Hanley, one of the AP reporters who broke the original story in 1999 of this Korean War incident. While ACG stands by the principal point of Bateman’s article (and the official US Army Inspector General report) which is that this incident—whatever exactly happened—was a tragedy of war and not a premeditated war crime as alluded to in the original AP story, we encourage our readers to examine all the information we are making available on this July 1950 incident and judge for themselves.

http://www.armchairgeneral.com/artic...?p=3174&page=1

Browse the evidence, voice your opinion by voting, and discuss the results in this thread.

[Doctor Sinister]

I've taken a look at all the information presented - seems like a pretty bitter argument going on there.

The alleged letter from the US Ambassador is worrying - presumably no-one has denied that such a document exists?

But...even if it does exist, I find it hard to believe that US troops would have conducted such an exercise deliberately, so I voted for the 2nd option.

Dr. S.

[Duncan]

I also don't believe that whatever happened was deliberate.

However, this begs the question... does ignorance of results make the same behavior not a crime? Does a different intention mitigate the criminality of an action? What is the difference between purposefully killing civilians, unintentionally killing civilians, knowing that your actions would result in the death of civilians and acting anyhow, and unavoidability but purposeful killing of civilians as a result of a specific situation? These things would effect a civilian court, at least legally. Would this be better described as negligence or an unavoidable tragedy rather than a war crime? And what would the implications of that be?

[ALOHA RONNIE]

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-AP- Pressured to return its fake -NO GUN RI- Pulitzer Prize

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/817458/posts


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[ALOHA RONNIE]

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Book Reviews:

NO GUN RI: A History of the Korean War Incident

By ROBERT L. BATEMAN III

http://www.amazon.com/No-Gun-Ri-Mili...ews/0811717631


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[ALOHA RONNIE]

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More OUTSTANDING Book Reviews...


'NO GUN RI: A Military History of the Korean War Incident'

http://search.barnesandnoble.com/boo...11717632&itm=1


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[nilsderondeau]

Wow, Aloha Ronnie, that was some cogent precise argumentation. You posted a few links. Fascinating.

Aloha Ronnie, why the hell bother?

[Eric Weider]

Originally Posted by nilsderondeau

Wow, Aloha Ronnie, that was some cogent precise argumentation. You posted a few links. Fascinating.

Aloha Ronnie, why the hell bother?

Ronnie makes plenty of important contributions.

[Doctor Sinister]

Originally Posted by Eric Weider

Ronnine makes plenty of important contributions.

Agreed, and nilsderondeau's posting hasn't exactly added to the discussion.

nilsderondeau, what are your views on this issue?

Dr. S.

[ALOHA RONNIE]

Originally Posted by Eric Weider

Ronnine makes plenty of important contributions.

Thank you for your kindness, Eric Weider.

We "Bother" here on this most blessed Armchair General Forum Thread of CLARITY about NO GUN RI because many apologies are still ..OWED.. to the past, present and future members of the U.S. 7th Cavalry Regiment.

A Freedom-fighting Regiment that was falsely accused of a Massacre of Korean civilians in the battlefield chaos of the Korean War's beginning.

An apology also still ..OWED.. to the loved ones who have waited, wait and will be waiting for members of this famed 'GARRY OWEN' Regiment to return home from battles fought for the Freedom of others worldwide.

http://www.lzxray.com

http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_set1.htm


Who should apologize..?

Just ask those who were so quick to
publically blame the U.S. 7th Cavalry Regiment in the late 1990's for a Massacre at the Bridge of NO GUN RI that has been proven to...

...NEVER HAVE HAPPENED in the first place..!!!


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[ALOHA RONNIE]

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-Return- AP's ..NO GUN RI.. Pulitizer, 7th Cavalry Cleared = Major ROBERT L. BATEMAN -&- JOE GALLOWAY

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/665989/posts



...just for the CLARITY of it...!!!



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[Siberian HEAT]

Now a poll on the front page. Seems pretty clear where our readers stand on this one.

[Jno Buford]

More importantly, connect the dots. Whose agenda does this serve? And does this agenda tie into one that may or may not be in vogue today vice Iraq and Afghanistan. Me thinks me smell's a liberal secularist. OTOH to muzzle the third estate, serves no purpose, hence let them vent their spleens and decide which version, of hopefully objective, historical research and analysis, they wish to support. It's called freedom. I, nor you, have to like their version, nor do we have to not believe or percieve their idiots as well.

[ALOHA RONNIE]

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It was an infuriated President BILL CLINTON, as he was heavily banging his fist on a White House Press Room podium, who proclaimed that our U.S. 7th Cavalry had massacred innocent South Korean civilians at the Bridge of NO GUN RI during the Korean War.

CLINTON then announced that he was having the Pentagon investigate Why. Only problem was that this investigation ended up CLEARING our U.S. 7th Cavalry in a massacre that was found to have NEVER HAVE HAPPENED in the first place. As in ..there were no graves found anywhere around that Bridge. An end result that was NEVER publically acknowledged by a silent President CLINTON afterwards.

I found this all most curious at the time, being one particular U.S. 7th Cavalry Vietnam War Veteran who had been busy exposing the CLINTONS' pushing hard to turn the U.S. Long Beach Navy Base over to the Communist Chinese. A Navy Base turnover that was to be made in exchange for China Army Money that had been flowing into the Private Residence of the CLINTON White House during the 1990's.

A U.S. 7th Cavalry Vietnam War Veteran who had been busy exposing the CLINTONS in non-stop Internet postings, in calls into national Talk Radio/TV Programs and in speeches given before the Long Beach City Council, Harbor Commission and court-forced U.S. Navy Hearings ...efforting to save our precious Navy Base.

We finally ended up stopping this CLINTON transaction dead in it's tracks in Congress.

No wonder CLINTON was so dang red-faced..?


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[R. Evans]

I voted for the 2nd option. It just doesn't sound premeditated. Lot of info and reading to get through but it seems like an accident. Very interesting!