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Does it refer to the fact that there was a Tollhouse at the crossing????
Sound like a possible G., but in what language? German is out and I would think also French which would leave Dutch.

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Well I put the word into a translator and it came back as the same spelling so maybe that isnt the reason!
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My guess is a (Flemish?) word for Ford...

Gack - found a possible source at...
http://nq.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/con.../s5-III/73/411

Lobith is on the opposite side of the Rhine,. and near it was the ford by which the French. crossed the river. Tholus, Tolhus, or Tolhuys, is marked in all ...

No account with the Oxford Journal though. Anyone else. Will try to post the long/lat for Google Earth later today.
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was it the name of a fort at the crossing.
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Does it refer to the fact that there was a Tollhouse at the crossing????
You are certainly very close to the right answer Gott...
Please tell me more !!!!

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A bridge or customs house?
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You are certainly very close to the right answer Gott...
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No fear Stratego! pm me, and I'll send you some of my student's essays. Little light on the facts, but the "strange" content more than makes up for it.

Nice idea for a thread. rep coming
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Anymore guesses ? Or shall I give the answer?

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G if it was German, as in a Customs House, it would be Zoll Haus. "Toll" is so far off from "present day" German that it wouldn't even come close.
So WTF does it mean? Any one come up with the right answer yet?

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Well, here's the answer:

When the French crossed the Rhine into the Netherlands in 1672 they saw a board on which could be read: TOLHUIS !
Us dutch/flemish speaking guys know that this means that there is a tollhouse nearby, where we must pay to be able to cross the bridge, but of course the people that were supposed to inn the money were not prepared to stop the entire French army in order to make them pay, so, these toll inners fled home of course !
So, the french crossed the Rhine unopposed and since they had no idea what a "Tolhuis" was, they mentioned this name in all their correspondences, thinking it was a town instead !!!!
The reason why it is sometimes spelled differently, is just because the french wrote it down the way they said it, even the artist who made the painting at Versailles : tolouse or tolhus !!!!



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PS: Today, the French tend to write down "Louis XIV crossing the Rhine in 1672" as title for the painting...instead of naming it "...crossing at Tolhus in 1672" as it used to be. Many say because the french eventually were ashamed for this mistake in placenames !!!!
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Just came in too late to join in the fray .
As I come in from the Dutch speaking side, things to me were so obvious that I never realised that there had been any confusion on the 'Tolhuis'.


Now that I come to think of it: if the guys at the toll booth had played it cool that day, they could have made their fortune; cashing in on the whole French army!! Infantry soldiers one copper piece; cavalry: one silver piece per head; artillery plus limber: one gold piece! Gushing cash.

Well done Stratego!
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I'll be posting a new fact tomorrow...Sennef ! Be prepared ! Or shall I say: Wees voorbereid !!!!

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Most interesting.

That was cool - can't wait until the next one!

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Yes, very. Thanks for the cool info Stratego.
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Wow, thanks for that bit of trivia! Very cool.
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A very good idea, Stratego!

This thread is stuck!

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