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lol isnt it funny seeing politicians tryin to suck up for ppls votes
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He looks right at home - and is that a boy scout on bass?
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He looks right at home - and is that a boy scout on bass?
Looks like scouts yes, or some other type of youth movement, probably a legacy of the french.

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you would hate to blow a hole in the middle of the road
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Was that taken in '72 or '75? Pretty unusual for the NVA to deploy AA upforward, so presumably it was being used to protect columns from US airstrikes (which means, I suppose, that it was '72).
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yea it was during siege of An Loc in '72
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Wonder if the NVA had many of them ZSUs, and to which units they belonged, probably to the tank brigades.
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i cant remember the name of the site but it said wat units they were in. ill have a look around and see if i can find it again
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Wonder if the NVA had many of them ZSUs, and to which units they belonged, probably to the tank brigades.
How did the NVA organise their armoured forces - along Soviet lines, or in smaller brigade-size units?
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this may be it http://www.gruntonline.com/Order%20o...VN_armour1.htm
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How did the NVA organise their armoured forces - along Soviet lines, or in smaller brigade-size units?
In Brigades yes, but very small ones with 1 or two tank battalions each with no infantry.
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Great find PiN, forgot about that one.
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Yeah, that suggests the ZSU would have been part of an independent AA company trying to protect the NVA armour. An awesome find at any rate Pinpoint, it reminds me to try and find some information about the use of TOW-equipped gunships in '72 (there's bound to be a report floating around on one of the US Army sites) and I never knew the NVA were given ZSU-23-4s - that's a serious step up in hardware and technological capability from T-54s and PT-76s!
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There were sensory devices planted all along the Ho Chi Minh trail as well as live observors. Only occasionally prior to the Easter invasion of 1972 was an armored vehicle of any kind detected.

Once the NVA offensive started in earnest the appearance of tracked and armored vehicles was a complete surprise, at least in the numbers they had. Interrogation of POWs later showed why this was the case. Prior to the offensive these vehicles were taken apart in the North, transported south on the back of bicycles and reassembled. They knew about out listening devices along the Ho Chi Mihn trail and didn't want to give away the surprise of their armor. This only shows the huge effort the North was willing to go to.
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it reminds me to try and find some information about the use of TOW-equipped gunships in '72 (there's bound to be a report floating around on one of the US Army sites) and I never knew the NVA were given ZSU-23-4s - that's a serious step up in hardware and technological capability from T-54s and PT-76s!
when i first found the site i was like WHAT THE F*** the NVA didnt use those they are way to new but they were... i dont know if it can be confirmed but a mate of mine who visited VN recently and whose guide was NVA during the war said IF the war lasted a few more years that they wouldve recieved the AK-74
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