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Yeah but I am glad some of you keep writing it anyway. Of course my pet peeve with modern historian is: "When the heck did we decide maps have no place in military history books?"
I agree, you can't fight a battle/war without a map. My book publisher is no help; you have to roll your own. I'm in the hunt for a simple software to convert my sketch maps.

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Siege of Vienna, saved Europe from being overrun by the Ottomans. IMHO the most important battle in history.
It was indeed an important battle in history. There was always something to save Europe from being overrun.
Rain saved them from Ottomans. Death of Mongol Emperor saved them from Mongols.
But it didn't work out for Hitler.
By the way, did you know that Vienna city coucil decided to place a watcher in a church tower in the city after the Ottomans fell back. There had always been a watcher in that tower until 1950s. Interesting huh?

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That's a long watch, Fatih!

I'd be interested in knowin some of what the various watchers saw over the ages.

Got any cool stories?

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It was indeed an important battle in history. There was always something to save Europe from being overrun.
Rain saved them from Ottomans. Death of Mongol Emperor saved them from Mongols.
But it didn't work out for Hitler.
By the way, did you know that Vienna city coucil decided to place a watcher in a church tower in the city after the Ottomans fell back. There had always been a watcher in that tower until 1950s. Interesting huh?

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I didn't know that! Thanks.
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My favorite moments during this period are the successive integrations of firearms, in weapons, formations and tactics, from Maurice of Nassau through Gustavus Adolphus. If one wants to talk about revolutions in military affairs and look at the ripple effect of new technologies, these "moments" in the period are a classic example.
And there are many such "revolutions" and changes of weapon/tactics in this period. Military science went from the sword, spear and bow of the Middle Ages right up to war as conducted by Frederick the Great and Napolean.

There's so much here I often wonder why this forum doesn't see more discussion.
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There's so much here I often wonder why this forum doesn't see more discussion.
We have standards, we don't let just anybody post here!

Actually, I'm equally baffled.
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Well while I am always intersted in military history no matter where or when, I am very interested in Irish Military History at this time as a lot was happening. For this particular period in Ireland there were a number of wars fought on which there is quite a lot of information available.

The Nine Years War (1594-1603) saw the last of the great Gaelic chieftans of Ulster, Hugh O'Neill and Hugh O'Donnell, fight against the enroachment of the English Protestants in a war that eventually encompassed all of Ireland. The Siege and Battle of Kinsale in 1601/2 decided the war in favour of the English.

The Rising of 1641 and the subsequent War which lasted until 1653 wrecked the country in a conflict that resembled a cross between the 30 Years War, Lebanon in the 1970/80s and the Black Death thrown in for good measure.

Plenty of military action but much more massacres, sieges and skirimishes than major battles (e.g. Benburb 1646, Rathmines 1649) though.

The War of 1689 to 1691 was fought over the Williamite succession to the thrones of England, Scotland and Ireland. King James II decided to come here and try and regain his throne by enlisting the Irish in his cause in the name of the Catholic Faith.

He lost the Siege of Derry in 1689, the Battle of the Boyne in 1690 and after he fled that year the Irish Catholics fought on successfully checking the Protestants from taking the city of Limerick later in the year after Patrick Sarsfield in a brilliant raid captured the Williamite Siege Train at Ballyneety*

However in the following year the Irish were heavily defeated at Aughrim in July, where they redeemed the fiasco at the Boyne somewhat by fighting to the end in many cases. But the defeat was so devastating in terms of the number of men lost that the War was rapidly coming to an end.

The final Siege of Limerick followed which ended the War with a Treaty signed in that city which was not honoured by the victors. Many of the Irish troops then headed for France and Spain to become the 'Wild Geese' of Irishmen who fought England on the battlefields of Europe and in many other lands too.

These three wars broke the back of Gaelic and later Catholic resistance to English/Protestant rule but they were no easy victories for England either.

Just looking through some of my History projects from College and I have one titled ' Ireland and the Military Revolution 1641-1653'.

Do you think if I cleaned it up a bit it would be suitable for AG?

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Ive always been interested in Eastern European history during this time period. Western European military history during this time almost seems stagnant by comparison: The rise of Russia, rise and fall of Poland/Lith, rise and fall of Sweden, Rise of the Ottoman Empire, decline of the the Golden Horde, and the incessant warfare in the balkans etc etc.

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The English Civil War, it changed the way England was governed and would have massive consequences for the entire world. It led to a general feeling in England that the King should not have absolute power and that a monarch needed the people's approval to rule.
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I'm intrigued by the 'Wild Geese', Karl!

Any biblio or info on them you'd recommend?

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I'm intrigued by the 'Wild Geese', Karl!

Any biblio or info on them you'd recommend?

Well you could start here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Brigade_(French)

which is a good introduction.

O'Callaghan's great work is the 'Bible' of studies on the Wild Geese. However it dates from 1869 IIRC and is heavy going in places. Certainly worth reading large extracts of it though.

However the whole subject is greatly in need of an update. The only modern text work that I know is 'The Wild Geese' by Maurice Hennessy but that is very much a brief overview of the various strands of the story.

The Osprey book is good for the uniforms but that's about it.

The Irishmen serving in the US and Confederate forces would also be considered part of the 'Wild Geese' tradition too.
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I like the second half of the XV century, mostly for the beautiful armor equipments, like the Ghotic armatures. XVI century soldiers were certainly fearsome, but they were dressed like clown.
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I like the second half of the XV century, mostly for the beautiful armor equipments, like the Ghotic armatures. XVI century soldiers were certainly fearsome, but they were dressed like clown.
Check out the German 'Landsknechte' with all the silk in their dress. I wouldn't be fooled by their comic appearance.
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Check out the German 'Landsknechte' with all the silk in their dress. I wouldn't be fooled by their comic appearance.
No, undoubtly they were terrible combatants, but uniforms and equipment are a big part of my fascination for historical battles. The disorder expressed by their oufits and their grotesque appearance are somewhat revulsive. It must also have been a health nightmare for those armies, because the already appalling hygienic conditions of the battlefield were certainly much worsened by such oufits. Just think on the criticisms for the reinforcing patches used on the tropical US uniforms of the 80s. They lasted a bit more, but they collected dirt, body wastes and parasites at the seams and made infections easier. Now just think to the 'things' weared by the XVI century soldiers. I think a modern soldier would be defeated by the smell before arriving at shooting distance from those guys
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