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Har! Good Answer!

It really must have been an awe struck, dumb founded, horrible sight for Salamis to behold.

That's 1 of the battles that would be great to be as a fly on the back of his chair.

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i gotta go with the battle of watling street between the romans(3 legions 10,000) led by suetonius and the britons(a number of rebellious tribes of 230,000) led by boudicca though the romans were outnumbered more than 20 to one suetonius was still able to achieve victory with only a loss of 400 men while boudicca failed to defeat suetonius and losing 80,000 both men and women. Making it the worst defeat in british history.
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I'll go with the campaign leading up to the Battle of Chaeronea 338 BCE. It makes an interesting study in strategic timing and maneuver, followed by flawless tactical battlefield execution.

Prior to that, Marathon for the gutsy Athenian response to a large invasion force, caught off balance from its recent landing, and the amazing achievements of Cyrus the Great in forming the Persian Empire.
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Once long ago; all things ancient middle/near eastern..... to include Egypt and the exploits of Ramesses II; and the study of ancient civilizations such as the Hurrians, the Scythians and Cimmerians; not to of course forget the Assyrians and Hittites the Medes et al..

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Thumbs up Balls to the Wall!!!

Although I am not too familiar with many military encounters, martial cultures and technological breakthroughs that took place during the Ancient Era, I would have to say that the Battle of Thermopylae, fought in 480 B.C., would have to rank as my most favorite moment during that time.

For as Captainsennef and several others previously, and very eloquently, went into detail about, the actual story behind those 300 intrepid, insanely tough and near invincible Spartans who fought until the death at the pass of Thermopylae has become the stuff of legend! For while skillfully jabbing, thrusting and slicing with their spears and short swords---as they cut down thousands upon thousands of their vast Persian enemy who, despite their infinitely greater numbers, could not overpower those 300 fearsome Greeks (who initially had some help from 700 or so Thespians, yet those 300 Spartans bore the brunt of the fighting, and dying!)---they defied the odds in the most gruesome, and inconceivable, of ways! They serve as this shining example of sacrifice upon the field of battle while in pursuit of these higher principles---unconditional freedom and honor.

No other tribe of warriors in history have ever epitomized nor demonstrated such die-hard devotion, loyalty to each other and this common willingness to sacrifice themselves more so than those 300 heroes that bled the ground red at Thermopylae (though of course there have been other instances and episodes not too dissimilar from that spectacular deed, yet such similar acts and famous battlefield exploits have been far and few between!).

Those 300 Spartans belonged to quite possibly the finest and most thoroughly disciplined military culture of the Ancient Era, and, alongside the vast and flawlessly trained Roman legions, were no doubt the best and most formidable fighting men of that time, if not of all time! For Sparta formed this near perfect, supremely well-trained military machine (their very culture was practically based upon constant military training, martial valor and this non-stop readiness for war!) that could rival just about any in history, including those martial cultures developed and embraced by the Swiss, the Scottish Highlanders, the Ulster Irish of the Red Branch Cycle, the Balkan warriors (Serbs and the Croats) and the Japanese Samurai.

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Marathon, for these reasons:
1) Athenians negated the Persian superiority in numbers by forcing the battle on the field of their choosing.
2) Athenians were able to take the Persian charriot out of the equation.
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my favourite battle wud have to be thermopylae were 7000 greeks fought against 200,000 to 300,000 persians for 3 days only to be betrayed by one of there own.

now i havnt just chosen this battle because my nik is spartan or the fact that a loved the movie 300. its because one has to wonder what kind of a man decides to go to war against so many surley he didnt think he could win yet he went to thermopylae with 300 men knowning he wud die. . . one has to wonder . . .
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There are a few that I would like to have seen, all centered on Babylon. I tried to picture these things when I was there, but it's hard given the state of the city.

1. The entry of the Israelite slaves into Babylon.

2. The appearance of the "writing on the wall" there, and

3. The death of Alexander the Great.

You asked for one and I gave you three ("No extra charge!") but I need to add one more that I was listening to a review of on the radio this morning on the way to work:

4. The arrival of Joseph's brothers before him in Egypt, after they sold him into slavery, etc. etc. etc. -- they must have been dumbfounded to learn who he was!
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4. The arrival of Joseph's brothers before him in Egypt, after they sold him into slavery, etc. etc. etc. -- they must have been dumbfounded to learn who he was!
1-3 all good.
On your #4: Or afraid of what potentially could happen to them; similiar fate?
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On your #4: Or afraid of what potentially could happen to them; similiar fate?
Exactly! That's why I want to be there!!
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i gotta go with the battle of watling street between the romans(3 legions 10,000) led by suetonius and the britons(a number of rebellious tribes of 230,000) led by boudicca though the romans were outnumbered more than 20 to one suetonius was still able to achieve victory with only a loss of 400 men while boudicca failed to defeat suetonius and losing 80,000 both men and women. Making it the worst defeat in british history.
Not three legions. Suetonius had his own Legio XIV and remnants of Legio XX plus auxiliaries. Legio II decided to sit it out. Legio IX had been already been routed at Camulodunum.

EDIT: But it was a great moment. I mentioned it in the last stand thread.
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Rome! A remarkable feat! A thousand years of empire on which are laid the foundation stones of our current experience. The Roman Army is without parallel. In the course of its long existance it displayed remarkable flexibility and adaptabily. Like all human machines it was not without fault...but came the closest to giving the term "universal" legitimate meaning. It was to a very great extent one of the first examples of leadership by merit in our world.

A "miles gregarius", a simple foot soldier, could through luck and perseverance, advance as far as his skills and intellect would allow. Nobility came not from the seed in his loins but the steel in his hands. These were truely remarkble men. They faced death in such proximity that few modern warriors ever experience. They made a game out of war...and war into a game. There are few today amid the ranks of so-called soldiers who could carry their loads or capture their discipline and sang foid.
I completely agree; so many many modern military traditions and or practices originated with, or were refined by the Romans. The creation of a professional officer and NCO corps, amphibious landings, field artillery, rank and structure, boarding tactics, the creation of the first true marine corps; I could go on and on, and that is just on the military side.

On the civil side, for starters keep in mind that you are reading the Roman alphabet, the very word justice comes from the name of Emperor Justinian, modern law, engineering, and lets not forget Christianity; the Pope is referred to as Pontiff, which was the actual title of the Roman emperors. Once again, I could go on and on.
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One of my favorite topic was the athenian expedition in Sicily. Sparta sent only one man, Gilippus, half spartiate and half ilot: he bravely and brilliantly won the campaign, with the siracusan allies, and Athen power started to fall.
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Welcome to the forums Granatiere, as I see that you have a broad range of interests, I think you will like it here.
Good choice for favorite moment. As for Gylippus, we have discussed him here in the forum before, but IIRC I never came across the statement that he was half Spartiate/half helot. Actually it would surprise me if such a person would made it to general in Sparta.
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You can find this information also in Donald Kagan "The Peloponnesian War". He was son of an exiled spartiate, Cleandrida, and his mother was an helot. So Gylippus was a mothax, a "B" class spartan. In the spartan point of view, about how conducting the war, he was very "spendible"... The rank of general is relative, considering the incoming demographic crisis in Sparta.
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