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Lemme take a quick crack at these:
#2: IKV91 (one of my all time favs)
#3: Komatsu Type 60
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#2: IKV91 (one of my all time favs)
#3: Komatsu Type 60
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IKV-91 Tank Destroyer SWEDEN
Development for this vehicle began in 1968 and it was designed to replace the Strv 74, Ikv 102, Ikv 103 and m/43 antitank and assault guns. The first were delivered in 1975 and pruduction was completed in 1977. This vehicle could easily be mistaken for a conventional tank, but its light armour, powerful gun and somewhat slippery shape reveals that it is in fact a tank destroyer designed for concealment, ease of movement and sheer destructive firepower.
With an all-welded steel hull, this tank destroyer's engine is at the rear. The hull has plenty of storage space for 59 rounds of ammunition, as well as other equipment. The driver is seated at the front on the left and is provided with three day periscopes. The commander and gunner are positioned on the right of the turret with the loader on the left. The commander has day periscopes and also his own periscopic sight. Two blocks of LYRAN flare projectors are fitted to this tank destroyer, which also has a ballistic computer and a laser rangefinder.
The vehicle has six dual rubber-tyred road wheels on both sides with the top run being covered by a wavy edged skirt. Track shoes are removable and the track can be fitted with spikes for use in soft terrain, such as deep snow. The vehicle is fully amphibious and is propelled in the water by its tracks. A trim vane and covers for air intakes and exhaust outlets are erected prior to entry into the water.
Armament: One 90mm gun, two MGs.


TYPE 60 Twin 106mm Tank Destroyer JAPAN
Inspired by the M50 Ontos self-propelled antitank gun developed for the US Marines, the Type 60 SP recoilless gun was developed in the late 1950s and accepted into service in 1960. A small lowprofile vehicle, the Type 60 mounted a pair of 106mm recoilless rifles side-by-side on the centreline of the vehicle. The back blast of the rifles was exhausted over the engine deck at the back of the vehicle and they could be traversed 30 degrees left and right in a raised position and elevated up to 15 degrees. As with the Ontos, re-loading the weapons required a crewman to expose himself somewhat, and the 106mm rifle became less effective as potential enemy vehicles became better armoured. Over 200 Type 60 were built, later examples fitted with a more powerful engine. The tracks and wheels were the same as those on the otherwise unrelated Type 60 APC
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#4: T-50?
#6: Sentinal
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#4: T-50?
#6: Sentinal
You're wrong on #4 ( I have high hopes on #4, think it "will go a long way" )
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Sentinel Australian Cruiser Tank
In 1940 Australia was unable to rely on its traditional source of military equipment, the United Kingdom, and with the increasing likelihood of war in the Pacific, the Australian Government urgently sought an indigenous design. With the help of Colonel Watson, a British designer who had studied the M3 medium in America, the design of a cruiser tank with some M3 components was begun.
The AC (Australian Cruiser) I prototype first rolled out in january 1942 after numerous delays and an aborted attempt to build an AC II version with many truck components. The AC I was conventional in design with US rubber-block type suspension, horizontal volute bogies similar to the French Hotchkiss design, and a cast hull and turret. Such large castings had not been produced in Australia before and the tank was a considerable industrial achievement.
The US Sherman and the Canadian Ram were the only other wartime tanks with fully cast hulls and turrets. The bow machine gun had a prominent armoured sleeve. The first production tank was completed in august 1942 and 66 AC Is were built at Chullona Tank Assembly Shops, New South Wales, before the availability of large quantities of US tanks caused the programme's cancellation. It was a fast, low stable vehicle with considrable potential.
The 2pdr (40mm) armed AC I carried 130 rounds of main armament ammunition and 4250 for the machine guns. An improved AC III design optimized for close support had a 25pdr (87mm) gun in a larger turret, although only one protytype was built. The AC III prototype was also tested with a 17pdr (76mm) gun (as used on the Sherman Firefly) and even twin 25pdr guns. This latter installation was mainly to test recoil forces pending the availability of the 17pdr gun, but it proved surprisingly effective, with the recoil forces being only 20 percent greater than the single longbarrelled 17pdr gun. This version, featuring torsion bar suspension, would have been the AC IV, had it been adopted.
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You're wrong on #4 ( I have high hopes on #4, think it "will go a long way" )
Of course, silly me, running gear is all wrong.

Ok then Mucker, #4: A-20.

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Of course, silly me, running gear is all wrong.

Ok then Mucker, #4: A-20.

Ups...you're really closing in now, but no its not the A-20

Mucker...is that good or bad?
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Ups...you're really closing in now, but no its not the A-20

Mucker...is that good or bad?
Good

Right then.

Not a T-34, as the Mud guards are wrong and the turret shape is too.
Not a T-50, as the Running gear is wrong
Not a BT or KV because everything is wrong.
Not an A-20 (Despite the turret being correct and the Mudguards).

So it follows it'd be something in the same vein as an A-20, in the development arc.
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Its not the A-20

Its Christmas so I'll give you a hint:
As a result of the Spanish Civil War, General Dmitri Pavlov issued the design specification for a more survivable 20000kg medium tank, designated the A-20, to the Kharkov Locomotive Factory in november 1937. However, Mikhail Koshkin's design team was dissatisfied with the requirement that the A-20 utilize the BT track/wheel system, and Stalin approved a new project, known as the xxxx (or the xxxx), in august 1938.
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Its not the A-20

Its Christmas so I'll give you a hint:
As a result of the Spanish Civil War, General Dmitri Pavlov issued the design specification for a more survivable 20000kg medium tank, designated the A-20, to the Kharkov Locomotive Factory in november 1937. However, Mikhail Koshkin's design team was dissatisfied with the requirement that the A-20 utilize the BT track/wheel system, and Stalin approved a new project, known as the xxxx (or the xxxx), in august 1938.
Got it.

A-32
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Got it.

A-32
Yep you got it

T-32 (A-32) Medium Tank SOVIET UNION
As a result of the Spanish Civil War, General Dmitri Pavlov issued the design specification for a more survivable 20000kg medium tank, designated the A-20, to the Kharkov Locomotive Factory in november 1937. However, Mikhail Koshkin's design team was dissatisfied with the requirement that the A-20 utilize the BT track/wheel system, and Stalin approved a new project, known as the A-32 (or the T-32), in august 1938.
The A-32 retained the Christie suspension system, had a heavier 76.2mm gun, and thick sloping armour. Prototypes of the A-20 and A-32 were ready by july 1939, and both performed satisfactorily in tests. However, combat experiences in Mongolia and subsequently in Finland caused the Soviet Defence Committee to order a more heavily armoured and up-gunned A-32 into production in december 1939.
In the meantime, Koshkin took the A-32 back to the drawing board and made improvements to it before it entered production as the legendary T-34, which was probably one of the best tanks of World War II.

#1 and #5 are still up for grabs....
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#1 and #5 are still up for grabs....
#1

#5

OK! OK! I was gonna stay away and give everyone else a fair go but I just can't bear it any longer! Aaaaaaaarrrrrrrgggggggghhhhhh!!!!!!!

#1 is US Assault Tank T-14.
Two pilot vehicles were made. Due to difficulties with tracks and suspension, coupled with general lack of interest and factors such as the emergence of the Pershing, the project was cancelled in late 1944.

#5 is again the USA, this time the so-called 'Three-Wheeled Steam Tank'. It was actually the third tank type to be designed and built in the USA, produced by Holt in 1918. The small steering roller you can see was at the rear of the vehicle.


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OK! OK! I was gonna stay away and give everyone else a fair go but I just can't bear it any longer! Aaaaaaaarrrrrrrgggggggghhhhhh!!!!!!!

#1 is US Assault Tank T-14.
Two pilot vehicles were made. Due to difficulties with tracks and suspension, coupled with general lack of interest and factors such as the emergence of the Pershing, the project was cancelled in late 1944.

#5 is again the USA, this time the so-called 'Three-Wheeled Steam Tank'. It was actually the third tank type to be designed and built in the USA, produced by Holt in 1918. The small steering roller you can see was at the rear of the vehicle.


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T14 Assault Tank UNITED STATES
The T14 was a one-off attempt between the British and Americans to collaborate on a tank design from the outset in order to produce a vehicle for both nations. The head of the Ordnance Department and others visited the UK in september 1941 and discussed the need for heavier and better armed tanks than the Churchill, which had been found wanting in early engagements. In december 1941, studies were begun into an assault tank mounting a 6pdr (57mm) British gun or a US 75mm M3 with 50 rounds and using as many components from the M4 Sherman as possible. Some features of the M6 heavy tank were also incorporated, such as armour protection for the suspension.
Although the British requested 8500 in march 1942, pilot production was very slow, and by the time they had an example in 1944, the Churchill had matured into a successful infantry tank, so the project was cancelled in december that year. Weighing 41732 kg, `it was a lot of tank for only a 75mm gun`.

Three-Wheeled Steam Tank UNITED STATES
In 1918, several new concepts were offered to the Army under a programme begun enthusiastically the previous year. One of these was the Holt Three-Wheeled Steam Tank, not to be confused with the Engineer Corps' own steam tank, based on the British lozenge shape.
Not a tank in the sense that we know it today with caterpillar tracks, the Three-Wheeled Steam Tank looked somewhat like a tractor being driven backwards, with its large wheels at the front and a roller trailing behind. The main wheels were each powered by a 55.9kW (75hp) steam angine fuelled by kerosene-fired boilers. The three-part rear roller was fitted with a frame structure to aid in trench-crossing, and the tank had a high, boxlike superstructure.
As with the Tracked Steam Tank and the Pioneer Company's Skeleton Tank which was produced the same year, only a single prototype was built.
Armament: One 75mm howitzer, two 12.7mm MGs
Armour: 16mm
Crew: 6
Dimensions: Lenght 6.78m; Width 3.07m; Height 3m
Weight: 17272kg
Speed: 8km/h
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