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15 Feb 10, 18:43
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Originally Posted by Kevin Kenneally
Another picture to verify the vehicle that is from an earlier test question I posted.
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These are all from the Battle of the Volkhov. I have a blog here on it if anyone is interested.
http://volkhovfront.blogspot.com/
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15 Feb 10, 19:07
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UNDER THE Desgise
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Originally Posted by Kevin Kenneally
OK,
Now this tank is something you need to pay attention too.
So have fun.  |
Its a panther estras before the desgise sheetmetal m10 mockup is instaled
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15 Feb 10, 19:15
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Originally Posted by majorchuck
Its a panther estras before the desgise sheetmetal m10 mockup is instaled
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Sorry Chuck,
But your do not have the correct answer. Please look at the Johnny_boomboom answer above. 
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15 Feb 10, 21:38
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Originally Posted by Kevin Kenneally
It is a D model hull with the A model turret. Polish Army late 1946, early 1947 doing tests on this vehicle.
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How exactly can you tell? Early Ausf.A hulls were exactly the same as those of Ausf.D. |
15 Feb 10, 21:43
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Thank you Mr Bot for the unrelated, incorrect and useless information.  |
Same thing I was thinking 
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15 Feb 10, 22:01
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Originally Posted by Kevin Kenneally
Johnny.
Good guess. You have correctly identified the vehicle.
It is a D model hull with the A model turret. Polish Army late 1946, early 1947 doing tests on this vehicle.
The blocks are used to simulate the correct weight of the basic ammunition load.
I got this picture from a guy who lives in Warsaw Poland.
Thanks for all who had fun identifying this picture. Now you see the details that US Army Scouts had to get in less than 10 seconds. |
Unless you can prove it's a rebuild, which is only possible from the chassis number, I must dispute that. As I have stated before, Ausf. A was created by mounting a completely revised turret on the Ausf. D hull. The addition of the ball mount for the MG and other small changes occurred later during the course of Ausf. A production. Therefore, the hull/superstructure of the early Ausf. A as seen in photographs such as this, is indistinguishable from Ausf. D. 
So, unless re-build (retro-fit of the new turret) to an earlier Ausf. D is proven in this case, the only reasonable conclusion is that this is an Ausf. A.
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15 Feb 10, 22:05
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Ha! So it is an Ausf A! I win! Rep nao! Oh wait...That's the other forum I'm on.
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15 Feb 10, 22:06
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Originally Posted by DogDodger
How exactly can you tell? Early Ausf.A hulls were exactly the same as those of Ausf.D.
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Precisely. Unless there is confirmed specific information (such as a chassis number) to prove it's a rebuild of an Ausf. D, the only reasonable verdict is that it is an Ausf. A.
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15 Feb 10, 22:11
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Ha! So it is an Ausf A! I win! Rep nao! Oh wait...That's the other forum I'm on. |
Let's wait to see if KK can produce proof positive, that this is a rebuilt Ausf. D.
If not, then our case stands. Reference from a Jentz volume dedicated to the Panther series, which includes the range of chassis numbers for each Ausfuhrung, can be produced if required. 
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16 Feb 10, 08:20
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Originally Posted by panther3485
Precisely. Unless there is confirmed specific information (such as a chassis number) to prove it's a rebuild of an Ausf. D, the only reasonable verdict is that it is an Ausf. A. |
Well, I am glad to find out that I was correct on other quiz
http://www.ww2f.com/quiz-me/20499-na...tml#post460579
Although, additional weight is still mystery... |
16 Feb 10, 20:07
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Originally Posted by panther3485
Let's wait to see if KK can produce proof positive, that this is a rebuilt Ausf. D.
If not, then our case stands. Reference from a Jentz volume dedicated to the Panther series, which includes the range of chassis numbers for each Ausfuhrung, can be produced if required. |
Picture and explanation were sent by a friend from Warsaw Poland. I can only tell you WHAT he has sent to me.
As for the technical data, no chasis number available.
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16 Feb 10, 20:08
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The weights are to simulate the ammunition and other essentials of the basic loads for testing purposes.
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17 Feb 10, 04:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin Kenneally
Johnny.
Good guess. You have correctly identified the vehicle.
It is a D model hull with the A model turret. Polish Army late 1946, early 1947 doing tests on this vehicle.
The blocks are used to simulate the correct weight of the basic ammunition load.
I got this picture from a guy who lives in Warsaw Poland.
Thanks for all who had fun identifying this picture. Now you see the details that US Army Scouts had to get in less than 10 seconds. |
Yay!!!!
Guess.......whaddya mean guess????? Oh, yeah, course it was!!!  |
17 Feb 10, 04:45
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Originally Posted by panther3485
Unless you can prove it's a rebuild, which is only possible from the chassis number, I must dispute that. As I have stated before, Ausf. A was created by mounting a completely revised turret on the Ausf. D hull. The addition of the ball mount for the MG and other small changes occurred later during the course of Ausf. A production. Therefore, the hull/superstructure of the early Ausf. A as seen in photographs such as this, is indistinguishable from Ausf. D.
So, unless re-build (retro-fit of the new turret) to an earlier Ausf. D is proven in this case, the only reasonable conclusion is that this is an Ausf. A. |
 oh don't be so pedantic and give me the points!!!
Seriously.....just kidding!!! You are quite right - lots of variables at play in this picture,and my in depth knowledge ain't anywhere near as good as your's!!! Guess I'll have to chalk this up to a 'maybe' at best!!! |
17 Feb 10, 07:51
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Originally Posted by Johnny_BoomBoom
oh don't be so pedantic and give me the points!!!
Seriously.....just kidding!!! You are quite right - lots of variables at play in this picture,and my in depth knowledge ain't anywhere near as good as your's!!! Guess I'll have to chalk this up to a 'maybe' at best!!! |
In the absence of proof of a rebuild, the only reasonable conclusion is that the Panther in the photo is an early production Ausf. A because it has all the externally visible characteristics of that model. That said, you are still most welcome to the points. I can afford it.
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