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Indochina 1945-1954 The Battle for Indochina, 1945-1954.

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Post Indochina 1945-1954

Best page I found for english links so far. About 1/3 go to the excellent Indochine site.

http://www.casahistoria.net/frenchindochina.htm

Nice site for CEFEO air

http://hedgehoghollow.com/awoic/

and another

http://worldatwar.net/chandelle/v3/v3n1/frcoin.html

List of French prime ministers. 15 changes of government in 7 years (47-54)

http://www.answers.com/topic/list-of...ters-of-france

Danny OHara's Weird Wars page

http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/wwars/wwars.html
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My very much uncompleted list of the OOB for CEFEO units that served from 1947 onwards. Mainly taken from S&T #209 but I did find some engineer and support bns. Infantry is next. Then maybe dates, then start over ...
Any one have the TO&E for an Aerial Observation Battalion?
What is 163eme Colonial Battalion of Transmissions? Radio unit?

French Union forces in Indochina.

Airborne

Colonial Parachute Commando Demi-Brigade (SAS)
1st Parachute Demi-Brigade (SAS)
1st Parachute Chasseurs Regiment
2nd Colonial Parachute Commando Demi-Brigade
1st Colonial Parachute Battalion
2nd Colonial Parachute Battalion
3rd Colonial Parachute Battalion
(removed 4th BPC. was stationed in west africa until 1957)
5th Colonial Parachute Battalion
6th Colonial Parachute Battalion
7th Colonial Parachute Battalion
8th Colonial (Shock) Parachute Battalion
10th Dismounted Parachute Chasseurs Battalion
1st Foreign Legion Parachute Battalion
2nd Foreign Legion Parachute Battalion

Armor/Armored Cavalry

1st Armored Cavalry Regiment
4th Dragoon Regiment
5th Armored Cavalry Regiment
9th Dragoon Marche Regiment
8th Algerian Spahis Regiment
2nd Moroccan Spahis Regiment
5th Moroccan Spahis Regiment
6th Moroccan Spahis Regiment
Far East Spahis Marche Regiment
Far East Colonial Armored Regiment
1st Foreign Legion Cavalry Regiment
4th Dragoon Battalion
7th Squadron, 1st Moroccan Spahis Marche Regiment
1st Far East Independent Reconnaissance Squadron
2nd Far East Independent Reconnaissance Squadron
3rd Far East Independent Reconnaissance Squadron
4th Far East Independent Reconnaissance Squadron
5th Far East Independent Reconnaissance Squadron

Artillery

2nd Artillery Regiment
4th Colonial Artillery Regiment
10th Colonial Artillery Regiment
41st Colonial Artillery Regiment
69th African Artillery Regiment
Moroccan Colonial Artillery Regiment
Marche Battalion, 64th Artillery Regiment
Marche Battalion, 66th Artillery Regiment
1st Battalion, Far East Colonial Antiaircraft Regiment
1st Group, 35th Parachute Regiment (Light Artillery) added
21st Aerial Observation Battalion
22nd Aerial Observation Battalion
23rd Aerial Observation Battalion
24th Aerial Observation Battalion
261st Antiaircraft Battalion
French East African Colonial Artillery Battalion
Levant Colonial Mountain Artillery Battalion (added)
1st Central Annam Artillery Battalion
2nd Central Annam Artillery Battalion

Engineers

17th Engineer Battalion
22nd Engineer Battalion
26th Engineer Battalion
28th Legion Engineer Battalion (added)
31st Engineer Battalion
61st Engineer Battalion
62nd Engineer Battalion
71st Engineer Battalion
72nd Engineer Battalion
73rd Engineer Battalion
75th Engineer Battalion
(61st Colonial Engineer Battalion
71st Colonial Engineer Battalion
72nd Colonial Engineer Battalion
73rd Colonial Engineer Battalion) I'm not sure if these units are the same as above with Colonial added.
74th Colonial Engineer Battalion
76th Legion Engineer Battalion


Support

532nd Medical Transportation Company
Far Eastern Provisional Brigade's Colonial Service and Transportation Company
71st Traffic Control Company
73rd Traffic Control Company
503rd Transportation Battalion
515th Transportation Battalion
516th Transportation Battalion
519th Transportation Battalion
163eme Colonial Battalion of Transmissions
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If you're into Indochina War, don't miss these two sites:

Indo 1945-1954

Ðiên Biên Phú

Also, Transmissions is indeed radio (Signal I think is the equivalent in english)
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Groupe Aérien d’ Observation d’ Artillerie

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Any one have the TO&E for an Aerial Observation Battalion?

21st Aerial Observation Battalion
22nd Aerial Observation Battalion
23rd Aerial Observation Battalion
24th Aerial Observation Battalion
French Air OOB in Indochina

http://indochine54.free.fr/cefeo/air.html#top

"GAOA"

1952 ALOA, the Light Aviation of Artillery Observation,(l'Aviation Légère d'Observation d'Artillerie),....

which is made up of GAOA, which stands for Air Groups of Artillery Observation,(Groupe Aérien d’ Observation d’ Artillerie)

November 22nd 1954 ALAT, the Light Aviation of the Army,(l'Aviation Légère de l'armée de Terre) founded.

Prior to this aircrew were from L’Armée de l’air and the régiments d'artillerie.

From:

http://www.defense.gouv.fr/sites/ter..._anniversaire/


Thus,

1ere GAOA Indochina, May 1st 1946, : 3 "Escadrille" each with 4 MS 500 'Criquet' (Fiesler Storch copy)

Designation changes to 21eme GAOA October 1st 1950.

Has 8 MS 500 on charge in November 1950.

Transferred to Tonkin, January 1952.

At battle of Dien Bien Phu until May 8th 1952.

Disbanded during formation of ALAT


For 23eme GAOA (formerly 3eme GAOA) bases in Indochina see:

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/aeromil-yf/3eme_rhc.htm
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French Casualties of the Indochina War

French Casualties of the Indochina War

Army

KIA
3 Generals
8 Colonels
18 Lt Colonels
69 Majors
341 Captains
1,140 Lieutenants and 2nd Lieutenants
2,683 French NCOs
6,008 French Soldiers
12,019 NCO and other ranks; North-African, African, and Legionnaires.
14,093 Indigenous enlisted personnel

MIA
1 Lt Colonel
5 Majors
60 Captains
134 Lts and 2nd Lts
2,755 NCOs and soldiers
5,792 NCO and other ranks; North-African, African, and Legionnaires.
12,830 Indigenous enlisted personnel

WIA
20,899 French
24,347 North-African, African, and Legionnaires.

Medical Evacuees
31,291 officers and men

POWs released
16,118 officers and men
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Pretty cool pics of a 1/6 sized model figure Vietnamese paratrooper jumping out of a Junkers. Very nice look down shot of the black river. Too bad that his personal web site "Les Soldats Perdus French Indochina War website" is a 404.

Title: Last combat drop from a Junkers Ju-52, 1951

http://www.onesixthwarriors.com/foru...threadid=23462
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Now comes the Infantry!

Colonial Infantry

Korea Regiment
1st Marche Battalion, 1st Colonial Infantry Regiment
1st Marche Battalion, 2nd Colonial Infantry Regiment
Marche Battalion, 5th Colonial Infantry Regiment
6th Colonial Infantry Regiment
9th Colonial Infantry Regiment
11th Colonial Infantry Regiment
Marche Battalion, 16th Colonial Infantry Regiment
Marche Battalion, 19th Colonial Infantry Regiment
21st Colonial Infantry Regiment
22nd Colonial Infantry Regiment
23rd Colonial Infantry Regiment
43rd Colonial Infantry Regiment
Marche Battalion, 35th Infantry Regiment
Marche Battalion, 36th Infantry Regiment
1st Marche Battalion, 49th Infantry Regiment
Marche Battalion, 110th Infantry Regiment
Marche Battalion, 151st Infantry Regiment
13th Foreign Legion Demi-Brigade
2nd Foreign Legion Infantry Regiment
3rd Foreign Legion Infantry Regiment
5th Foreign Legion Infantry Regiment
Marche Battalion, 1st Foreign Legion Infantry Regiment
5th Battalion, 4th Foreign Legion Infantry Regiment
3rd Battalion, 6th Foreign Legion Infantry Regiment

Algerians/Tunisians

1st Algerian Rifle (Tirailleurs) Regiment
2nd Algerian Rifle (Tirailleurs) Regiment
3rd Algerian Rifle (Tirailleurs) Regiment
7th Algerian Rifle (Tirailleurs) Regiment
22nd Algerian Rifle (Tirailleurs) Regiment
1st Marche Battalion, 6th Algerian Rifle Regiment
21st Algerian Rifle Battalion
22nd Algerian Rifle Battalion
23rd Algerian Rifle Battalion
25th Algerian Rifle Battalion
27th Algerian Rifle Battalion
205th Algerian Rifle Battalion
217th Algerian Rifle Battalion
4th Tunisian Rifle Regiment
1st African Light Infantry Battalion

Moroccans

Moroccan Colonial Rifle Regiment
1st Moroccan Rifle Regiment
2nd Moroccan Rifle Regiment
3rd Moroccan Rifle Regiment
4th Moroccan Rifle Regiment
5th Moroccan Rifle Regiment
6th Moroccan Rifle Regiment
8th Moroccan Rifle Regiment
Marche Battalion, 7th Moroccan Rifle Regiment
1st Marche Battalion, 8th Moroccan Rifle Regiment
1st Marche Battalion, 201st North African Pioneer Infantry Regiment
1st Moroccan Tabor Battalion
2nd Moroccan Tabor Battalion
3rd Moroccan Tabor Battalion
5th Moroccan Tabor Battalion
8th Moroccan Tabor Battalion
9th Moroccan Tabor Battalion
10th Moroccan Tabor Battalion
11th Moroccan Tabor Battalion
17th Moroccan Tabor Battalion
207th Moroccan Far East Rifle Marche Battalion
214th Moroccan Far East Battalion
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Infantry part II

Senegalese/Central Africans

Marche Battalion, 13th Senegalese Rifle Regiment
24th Senegalese Rifle Marche Regiment
26th Senegalese Rifle Marche Battalion
27th Senegalese Rifle Marche Battalion
28th Senegalese Rifle Marche Battalion
29th Senegalese Rifle Marche Battalion
30th Senegalese Rifle Marche Battalion
31st Senegalese Rifle Marche Battalion
32nd Senegalese Rifle Marche Battalion
104th Senegalese Battalion
4th Battalion, Chad Marche Regiment
1st French East African Marche Battalion (West?)
2nd French Central African Marche Battalion
3rd French East African Marche Battalion (West?)

Indochinese

1st Tonkin Rifle Regiment
Cambodian Composite Battalion
Marche Battalion, 4th Tonkin Rifle Regiment
Annam Battalion
Saigon-Cholon Garrison Battalion
1st Far East Marche Battalion
2nd Far East Marche Battalion
3rd Far East Marche Battalion
4th Far East Marche Battalion
5th Far East Marche Battalion
6th Far East Marche Battalion
7th Far East Marche Battalion
1st Indochina Marche Battalion
2nd Indochina Marche Battalion
3rd Indochina Marche Battalion

Muongs

1st Muong Battalion
2nd Muong Battalion

Thais

1st Thai Battalion
2nd Thai Battalion
3rd Thai Battalion

Laotians

1st Laotian Chasseurs Battalion
2nd Laotian Chasseurs Battalion
3rd Laotian Chasseurs Battalion
4th Laotian Chasseurs Battalion
5th Laotian Chasseurs Battalion
6th Laotian Chasseurs Battalion
7th Laotian Chasseurs Battalion
8th Laotian Chasseurs Battalion
Phnom Penh Garrison Battalion


Groupes Mobiles

GM 1 (N African)
GM 2 (N African/Paras)
GM 3 (N African/Senegalese)
GM 4 (BMI/FFL)
GM 5
GM 6 (Fought at DBP)
GM 7 (Vietnamese)
GM 8
GM 9 (Fought at DBP)
GM 10 (N African)
GM 11 (Vietnamese)
GM 14
GM 21 (Vietnamese)
GM 32 (Vietnamese)
GM 42 (Montagnard)
GM 51 (N African)
GM 100 (Korea Regiment)


The Groupes Mobiles are not an addition to the CEFEO TO&E. They are just regimental teams created out of the battalions listed above. The french combined different units into different GMs as the war went on.
The Groupes Mobiles had 3 infantry battalions assigned; one Colonial infantry, the other two were N African/ Central African/Vietnamese. Unit was motorized with usually a squadron of armor. Also a battalion of artillery.
The pure Vietnamese AVN units are noted.
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A couple of links to PDfs for this time period.

First is -A Translation from the French Lessons of the War in Indochina, Volume 2
Victor J. Croizat- Very large

http://www.rand.org/publications/RM/RM5271/

Second is -The French Campaign Against the FLN
Constantin Melnik- Algeria

http://www.rand.org/publications/RM/RM5449/

Regroupment, Withdrawals, and Transfers-Vietnam:
1954-1955, Part I

http://www.rand.org/publications/RM/RM6163/
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Deployment Dates for Armor/Armored Cavalry

1st Armored Cavalry Regiment-Arrived 1/46; repatriated & disbanded in 1955.
4th Dragoon Regiment-Arrived 3/47; repatriated at end of hostilities.
5th Armored Cavalry Regiment-Arrived 2/46; repatriated at end of hostilities.
8th Algerian Spahis Regiment-Arrived 4/49; disbanded at end of hostilities.
2nd Moroccan Spahis Regiment-Formed in 12/47; repatriated March 1955.
5th Moroccan Spahis Regiment-Arrived in 9/49; disbanded January 1955.
6th Moroccan Spahis Regiment-Arrived 2/49; repatriated August 1955.
1st Foreign Legion Cavalry Regiment-Arrived 1/47; repatriated at end of hostilities.

From 'Vietnam Tracks' by Simon Dunstan
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Battle Honors of the Marine Amphibian X. The French Indochina War (1946–1954)
by Col Victor J. Croizat, USMC(Ret)

France had ended World War II a devastated country, its infrastructure shattered and its economy drained by years of occupation and war. It was able, however, to reestablish control over southern Vietnam. Although the Expeditionary Corps that arrived in Saigon in September 1945 was austere, its personnel were imbued with an innovative, can-do/make-do attitude. This was particularly apparent in the Naval Brigade, which modified veteran landing craft to create naval assault divisions, the famed dinassauts, that were effectively used on the waterways of the Tonkin and Mekong deltas where most of the people live. To complement the dinassauts’ capabilities, the Foreign Legion formed amphibious combat commands to operate on the wetlands of the deltas.

Late in 1947, the Foreign Legion’s 1st Cavalry Regiment was given the mission of denying the enemy the use of the Plain of Reeds, a vast transit zone between Cambodia and South Vietnam. Anticipating its wheeled vehicles would be useless in swampy terrain, the Legion obtained several American M29C “weasels” for testing. When these light tracked vehicles were seen to travel the Plain easily, 30 “crabs,” as the French called them, were procured for each of the regiment’s two squadrons. Soon after, crabs were roaming the Plain pursuing insurgents. That game was short-lived, however, for the Viet Minh quickly noted the vulnerability of single crabs with two-man crews operating beyond infantry support range, and began destroying them in increasing numbers. The French responded by restricting operations to two or more crabs with mounted infantry escort. But the crabs were incapable of carrying enough infantry to discourage enemy attack and the problem remained unsolved until the amtrac appeared.

The first LVT(4)s arrived in Indochina in October 1950 and were assigned to the 1st Cavalry Regiment for operational testing. This resulted in several organizational changes, culminating with the 1st Amphibious Group formed in April 1953. This unit included a “reconnaissance and rapid maneuver element” of 2 squadrons, each with 3 platoons of 10 crabs, and a “shock element” of 3 squadrons, each with 8 LVT(4)s embarking a light rifle company, and 3 LVT(A)4s for direct support. A separate platoon of six LVT(A)4s under group headquarters was provided for general support. A second amphibious group was formed shortly after for service in the north.

These groups had substantial firepower: fifteen 75mm howitzers in the LVT(A)4s, two machineguns in each crab and amtrac, and six 57mm recoilless guns and three 60mm mortars per squadron. The group also had the personnel and communications to operate as two subgroups. This flexibility, and the practice of carrying 3 days of supplies, provided the autonomy and endurance needed for long range operations. Although the group was remarkably versatile, it had limitations. Both amtracs and crabs often had to be moved by tank transporters to assembly points near operational operational areas. Further, the crab’s tracks were easily damaged and the amtracs bogged down in thick, heavy mud. But, when operations were planned with due regard for these factors, the Legion’s amphibious groups yielded spectacular results. They remain among the more innovative amtrac organizations ever conceived.
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