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American Colonial Era 1660-1763 The growth of North American colonies, often with a change in native & national control.

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Should Rogers be honored on Memorial Day?

What do you think, should a man who fought against his former comrades including Patriot leaders Israel Putnam and John Stark be honored on Memorial Day?

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FORT EDWARD, N.Y. - Maj. Robert Rogers, the frontiersman whose 18th century manual on guerrilla warfare has become a blueprint for Army Ranger fighting tactics, is getting what some consider a long-overdue honor: a statue in his memory.

But some veterans believe unveiling the monument today is insensitive because Rogers was loyal to England during the Revolutionary War.

"I think it's a travesty that we would think about honoring a person, especially someone who fought against us, on that day," said Bob Bearor, who served in the Army's 101st Airborne Division in the 1960s. "It's a sacred day. . . . Let's honor our dead who died for our country."

The life-size bronze statue is scheduled to be unveiled during a ceremony on Rogers Island in the Hudson River, 40 miles north of Albany. The island served as the base camp for Rogers' Rangers during the late 1750s, when the British and French fought for control of North America.

The statue will stand near the site where Rogers penned "Rules of Discipline," a common sense guideline for battling the French and their Indian allies in the North American wilderness in 1757. Also known as Rogers' "Standing Orders," the rules have been boiled down over the years from 28 to 19 and are still used to train soldiers at the Army Ranger School at Fort Benning, Ga.

Although some veterans say they have no qualms with the Rogers statue, Bearor and others say they are upset over a local developer's plans to unveil the statue today, when the nation honors its war dead.

Bearor says Rogers, a New Hampshire-born frontiersman who led his Rogers' Rangers on guerrilla raids for the British during the French and Indian War, turned against his fellow Americans in the Revolutionary War.

But organizers of today's event defend the timing, saying that holding it on the holiday allows the greatest number of local dignitaries and the public to attend.
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If they're going to claim he is the "father of special forces" they shouldn't be upset about the statue............
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I think the guy should be recognized for what he did when we were all on the same side, whilst for what he did in the rebellion he shouldnt be pushed out of history, after all many people were also against rebellion and many fought against it, I suspect he went either to war out of loyalty or honour.
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But organizers of today's event defend the timing, saying that holding it on the holiday allows the greatest number of local dignitaries and the public to attend.
This statement suggests to me that the organizers of the event are more motivated by publicity than a proper respect for Memorial Day. The holiday is a day to honor America's fallen, not the enemy. Rogers was a good leader during the French & Indian War and Pontiac's Rebellion, and quite the celebrity for awhile, in his day. But when he chose to fight against American soldiers including his former comrades in arms, he became the enemy. The fact that he offered his services to the Americans first, then to the British, shows that he was not serving the British out of any sense of loyalty, but perhaps ambition or revenge. If Rogers had retired to civilian life after Washington turned down his offer of service, rather than going to the British, the matter would be different. Certainly Rogers should be honored as a military leader, but not on a day to honor Americas fallen.
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Are those that fought on the loyalist side no less american tho?they simply had a different idea of who they were? After all arnt both sides honoured re the civil war?
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Are those that fought on the loyalist side no less american tho?they simply had a different idea of who they were? After all arnt both sides honoured re the civil war?
Bimble, I think that's a very good analogy...........
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Gotta agree with honoring Rogers. On Memorial Day, I honor all American veterans. Since that includes Confederates, who did fight against the United States, I think its alright to honor those who were Loyalists during the American Revolution. Especially Rogers.
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I do not consider Rogers an American veteran. In every war he served in, he was fighting for the Crown, not for America.

The issue of the American Civil War is different. The Confederates were traitors, fighting against an established American government they were once loyal to. After the war they were pardoned, and were considered American citizens.

Should the British honor George Washington as a great British military leader on a day to honor Britain's fallen?
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Here are a couple pics of the Rogers statue.



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I do not consider Rogers an American veteran. In every war he served in, he was fighting for the Crown, not for America.

The issue of the American Civil War is different. The Confederates were traitors, fighting against an established American government they were once loyal to. After the war they were pardoned, and were considered American citizens.

Should the British honor George Washington as a great British military leader on a day to honor Britain's fallen?
As an honourablke opponent ys
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I certainly have no problem with recognizing Rodgers as the father of the Rangers.
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Yes Definatly I think he was wronged . Geroge Washington didn't take time to look at him and ask other people before putting him in jail . So he should be Honnred alawys if it wasn't for him we may have never had. Green Berets,SEALS, First Special Service Force , Merriles Mauradres , Our modren day Rangers and ofcource many, many other special forces. So here you are Robert Rogers
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Yes Definatly I think he was wronged . Geroge Washington didn't take time to look at him and ask other people before putting him in jail . So he should be Honnred alawys if it wasn't for him we may have never had. Green Berets,SEALS, First Special Service Force , Merriles Mauradres , Our modren day Rangers and ofcource many, many other special forces. So here you are Robert Rogers

You give way to much credit.

Many of our SF etc were modeled after UK units, not Rogers.
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Rogers was loyal to both his King and his oath of office. He should be honored by the Brits, and not the U.S. If we are going to put up a statue of Rogers, then in fairness we should put up a full blown statue to honor Benedict Arnold, who certainly did far more for the American cause than Rogers ever did. (Ergo, the boot memorial)

As for not having Special Forces, Rangers, etc., Half pint John is right. The WWII Rangers were a carbon copy of the British commandos, and only got tagged with the "Ranger" label because of the popularity of the novel "Northwest Passage", and the movie of the same title with Spencer Tracy playing Robert Rogers.

As for the Confederates, they were Americans, and should be acknowledged as such. But 'honoring' their service is another matter. Those Southerners who took up arms against the U.S. were misguided in their majority, with those who had taken a previous oath of office to 'defend the constitution of the U.S. against all enemies, foreign and domestic', being traitors. The true Southern heroes were those who remained loyal to the Union, which included more than a few Lees of Virginia.
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Lierlou : Thats not how I was taught that US Army Rangers came into being. During WW2 a unit similar to the USMC was needed in Europe but they were too busy in the pacfic theater . So the job was given to William O. Darby to start one he was reading history ( Not watching movies ) and he gave them the name of the Colonial Rangers. After they were organised they were sent to Britian to be trained by the British Commandos .Thank You
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