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One of my sources ("Aircraft Carriers" by David Brown) says that the US used the same general plans of the Yorktown class to speed construction of the eighth carrier. The Hornet was completed in only 25 months. The Wasp was ordered three years before in 1935 when the Treaty was still in effect. Therefore the US had to design a carrier to fit the balance of tonnage left over. This meant they had used 120,300 tons of 135,000 allowed. The Wasp was the result of modifiying the Ranger plans.

The Wasp was 40 feet shorter than Ranger and slightly beamier. She carried a similar number of aircraft (66 to 72, depending on types). She once flew off 64 Spitfires to Malta.

The Ranger was not suitable for Pacific combat operations, but the Wasp was. Since Ranger grounded on a reef in the Carribean, I would say they used the Ranger as more of an aircraft transport/training carrier.

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One of my sources ("Aircraft Carriers" by David Brown) says that the US used the same general plans of the Yorktown class to speed construction of the eighth carrier. The Hornet was completed in only 25 months. The Wasp was ordered three years before in 1935 when the Treaty was still in effect. Therefore the US had to design a carrier to fit the balance of tonnage left over. This meant they had used 120,300 tons of 135,000 allowed. The Wasp was the result of modifiying the Ranger plans.

The Wasp was 40 feet shorter than Ranger and slightly beamier. She carried a similar number of aircraft (66 to 72, depending on types). She once flew off 64 Spitfires to Malta.

The Ranger was not suitable for Pacific combat operations, but the Wasp was. Since Ranger grounded on a reef in the Carribean, I would say they used the Ranger as more of an aircraft transport/training carrier.

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Pruitt, of course you're correct. The Ranger is the CV4 not CV7, The Wasp being the ship "squeezed" to fit the treaty limitations.

The Ranger definately tried to do too much on such a small hull and would have been entirely out of place in the Pacific. She did valuable work in the Atlantic escorting convoys and aided in the Torch landings. Later she was assigned to the British Home Fleet at Scapa Flow. In the latter stages of the war she was used mainly as a training platform.
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Here's an easy one. Name the last US fast (no CVEs) carrier to be lost in action in WWII.
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if you count CVL's - it would be the Princeton at Leyte Gulf ... if not then it would be the Hornet at the Battle of Santa Cruz -- they came close to losing a few Essex class carriers due to Kamikaze attacks- like the Franklin and I think the Intrepid - but none actually sank
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if you count CVL's - it would be the Princeton at Leyte Gulf ... if not then it would be the Hornet at the Battle of Santa Cruz -- they came close to losing a few Essex class carriers due to Kamikaze attacks- like the Franklin and I think the Intrepid - but none actually sank
Correct on almost all counts!

Princeton actually was a CVL (Independence Class), but she was a Fast Carier. The CVs and CVLs were considered Fleet or Fast Carriers. Hornet was the last CV lost. No Essex class was lost; but Franklin and Bunker Hill were both very nearly sunk and were knocked out of the war. One at Okinawa and one only about 50 miles from the coast of Japan. Evil I (Intrepid) was heavily damaged a few times, but returned to fight each time.

Quite a few CVEs or Jeep Carriers were lost. The most famous probably was Gambier Bay. She was sunk by gunfire from IJN CAs and BBs in the Samar portion of the Leyte Gulf Battle.

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What is the source of inspiration for the Fouled Anchor insignia?

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All right getting to something resembling this time period for a change ...


There is a chanty that mentions 'a little bit of Nelson's Blood' .... dunno the song off hand - although I recently got it on a CD --- what is meant by this phrase?
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For well over 300 years, the Royal Navy issued a tot & two gills of what effectionately became known as"Nelson's Blood" It was a daily ration with a mind to crew morale.


A tot & two gills is roughly half a pint of Rum.


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Ah yeh - but the story behind the name is a lttle more gross ..and shows perfectly how far seamen in the English Navy of that period of time would go for a bit of grog.
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Well as far as I remember, it is pretty gross.. Nelson's body was placed in a barrel of rum to preserve him and the crew drank the rum before he even got back to shore for burial

Here's something from a website about this " Captain Hardy had Nelson carried below where he expired three hours later with the knowledge that he had won a great victory at Trafalgar. Nineteen of the enemy had been sunk or captured; not a single British ship was lost. HMS VICTORY put into Gibraltar for repairs where legend has it that Nelson's body was placed in a large cask of Pusser's Rum to preserve it for the long voyage back to England. Upon arrival, the cask was opened and Nelson's preserved body removed. But the rum was almost gone. The jack tars (sailors) had drilled a small hole at the base of the cask through which they drained most of the rum, thereby drinking of Nelson's Blood. Since then, the term Nelson's Blood has become synonymous with Pusser's Rum, and is still in wide use today, especially with those having connections to the Royal Navy."

Ref.http://www.pussers.com/rum/pop_products_fl_nelson
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How about this -- in the (American) Revoultionary War - this was (arguably) the most famous merchant ship used as a warship: Who is she?
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Well decent questions are tough to come by before coffee time


But the Doc is dead on correct.



You drive from Brownsville Texas to oh -- say Jacksonville Florida -- following the coast as much as possible --- what WWII ship museums do you run across (am not counting the Naval Air Museum with its 1:1 scale mock op of the flght deck of an Independence class CVL - but it there too ) ?
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..and that Submarine at Mobile - unless they moved it to Galveston (yeh some day I have to make that trip and take in the D-Day museum too ...
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