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Oops -well fair enough Pruitt ...


by Sistership I was thinking brisge on the same side of the deck ... there was a bigger pair though... was thinking Shokaku and Zuikaku, both of the Kido Butai- but were sufficiently damaged at Coral Sea to not be able to be a part of the Midway planning.

Yeh you got the US question --- Hornet, Enterprise, and Yorktown were all very similar but the last one was not considered in the class... forgot why exactly ---

Ugh -- just woke up ... - ok someone else needs to ask a few today while I try to come up with a few more.
Yorktown was the class name.

CV-5 Yorktown
CV-6 Enterprise
CV-8 Hornet

Are you thinking of CV-7 Wasp?

She was similar in appearance, but smaller. Wasp was bigger than a CVL but IIRC about 80% the size of the Yorktown class. Smaller air group and only 30 Kt. speed vs. 32-33 Kt. for Yorktowns.
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Name this US Navy Patrol Bomber:
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That's a B-24, but I couldn't tell what kind of wicked Navy model it is
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That's a B-24, but I couldn't tell what kind of wicked Navy model it is
It is based on the Consolodated B-24 Liberator. Anyone know the Navy version? The single tail-fin and waste blisters are the keys to the specific version.
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It is based on the Consolodated B-24 Liberator. Anyone know the Navy version? The single tail-fin and waste blisters are the keys to the specific version.
Indeed, didn't even notice it had only one tail-fin, it's a Consolidated PB4Y Privateer (looked it up as you can guess )
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Indeed, didn't even notice it had only one tail-fin, it's a Consolidated PB4Y Privateer (looked it up as you can guess )
Very good! Even though you looked it up.

The Navy/Marines used two versions of the B-24:

PB4Y-1 Navy Liberator

PB4Y-2 Privateer
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Can you name this Navy Patrol Bomber?
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Will have to look up that source- no did not mean the Wasp am pretty sure I read that the last ship in the class was slightly different - so technically was part of its own class- it is possible that this was either in Squadron's carrier book (v 1) - or possibly in one of those Navy wartime books with all of the ships listed.. got a copy of that from iirc 1943 or 44. . . it was my Uncles - had been planning on scanning it all - but have not gotten to it - another one for the list .... man I got a big one - I may not live that long to do it all :/


Edited -- btw - that is a Hudson patrol plane -- (will have to look up the designation later -as I have to track down a repl battery for my laptop before I forget - but they were what you send out on patrol in Flattop (the game) - when you did not have the PBYs available.

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You're right. Hornet CV-8 is actually listed as a separate 1 ship class. I always thought it was a Yorktown class.

CV-8 Hornet

displacement: 19,800 tons
length: 809 feet 9 inches
beam: extreme width at flight deck: 144 feet
draft: 21 feet 8 inches
speed: 33 knots
complement: 1,889 crew
armament: 8 five-inch guns, 16 1.1-inch guns
class: Hornet


CV-6 USS Enterprise

displacement: 19,800 tons
length: 809 feet
beam: 83 feet 1 inch; extreme width at flight deck: 114 feet
draft: 28 feet
speed: 33 knots
complement: 2,919 crew
armament: 8 five-inch guns, .38-cal. machine guns
class: Yorktown
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Ah yeh - that one .. well I will let someone else guess it - but that is what replaced the Kingfisher on USN surface vessels...
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That is an SC Curtiss Seahawk.

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Nice one Gentlemen. The SC Curtiss Seahawk she is Apparently there were only 576 made and it was first flown in 1944.
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It's an SC-1, I believe.

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Yeh you got the US question --- Hornet, Enterprise, and Yorktown were all very similar but the last one was not considered in the class... forgot why exactly ---
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The reason the Hornet (CV8) is not considered the same class as the simular Enterprise and Yorktown is very simple. All of these ships were designed under the limitations of the Washington Naval Arms Treaty. Because of the large tonnages of the Lexington and Saratoga the USA had a limited amount of remaining tonnage to use inder the treaty (only the tonnage was limited, there was no limit on the number of ships). So in an attempt to get more hulls in the water the small Ranger (CV7) was launched. It was soon realized that it was just too cramped a design that was never duplicated. The size of the Hornet being based on the remaining tonnage the USA had to use under the treaty.
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