HistoryNet.com RSS
ArmchairGeneral.com RSS

HistoryNet.com Articles
America's Civil War
American History
Aviation History
Civil War Times
MHQ
Military History
Vietnam
Wild West
World War II

ACG Online
ACG Magazine
Stuff We Like
War College
History News
Tactics 101
Carlo D'Este
Books

ACG Gaming
Boardgames
PC Game Reviews

ACG Network
Contact Us
Our Newsletter
Meet Our Staff
Advertise With Us

Sites We Support
HistoryNet.com
StreamHistory.com
Once A Marine
The Art of Battle
Game Squad
Mil. History Podcast
Russian Army - WW2
Achtung Panzer!
Mil History Online

Go Back   Armchair General and HistoryNet >> The Best Forums in History > Current Events > North America

Notices and Announcements

North America Important Events in Canada and the United States. .

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 02 Oct 17, 14:51
armor11's Avatar
armor11 armor11 is offline
Major General
United_States
ACG Ten Year Service Award ACG 5 Year Service Ribbon March Offensive 
 
Real Name: Tim McCormley
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: San Diego
Posts: 2,733
armor11 is on a distinguished road [300] armor11 is on a distinguished road [300] armor11 is on a distinguished road [300] armor11 is on a distinguished road [300] armor11 is on a distinguished road [300] armor11 is on a distinguished road [300] armor11 is on a distinguished road [300] armor11 is on a distinguished road [300] armor11 is on a distinguished road [300] armor11 is on a distinguished road [300] armor11 is on a distinguished road [300] armor11 is on a distinguished road [300] armor11 is on a distinguished road [300] armor11 is on a distinguished road [300]
There are things that would help...

No automatic weapons.
Limit clips/magazines to 8 rounds.
Fingerprint/Background check before *any* firearm purchase.
No concealed carry.
Massive PR campaign by NRA to discourage the use of assault weapons of any kind, but ESPECIALLY for home defense.
NRA encourages people to use lever action rifles for home defense.
Massive PR campaign by the POTUS for people to turn in their assault weapons voluntarily.
Massive PR campaign by NRA for people to turn in all but one of their assault weapons.
No silencers.
Massive PR campaign by to discourage use of any caliber bullet > .45
If you can't smoke there, you can't carry a gun there.

The list goes on...

Edit 1: Some modifications after seeing the feedback on this thread.

Eliminate magazines altogether. 5 round clips only for rifles. (For pistols, revolvers only.)
What's in a name? To remove any issue with the term "assault rifle," or "assault weapon," or "assault anything," simply ban ammunition magazines, limit clips to 5 rounds and outlaw any muzzle velocity above 2700 fps.
__________________
"I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. I just kiss. I don't even wait. You can do anything... Grab them by the [redacted]. You can do anything."
-The President of the United States of America.

Last edited by armor11; 02 Oct 17 at 23:20..
Reply With Quote
Facebook Connect and Magazine Promotions

World War II Magazine
$26.95

Armchair General Magazine
$26.95
Military History Magazine
$26.95
  #2  
Old 02 Oct 17, 14:53
ljadw's Avatar
ljadw ljadw is online now
General of the Forums
Belgium
ACG 5 Year Service Ribbon 
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: zottegem
Posts: 14,780
ljadw gives and gets respect [800] ljadw gives and gets respect [800]
ljadw gives and gets respect [800] ljadw gives and gets respect [800]
Haha : all this would only increase the number of murders .
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 02 Oct 17, 14:58
Half Pint John's Avatar
Half Pint John Half Pint John is offline
General of the Forums
United_States
Distinguished Service Award ACG Ten Year Service Award ACG 5 Year Service Ribbon March Offensive 
Summer Campaign 100 Greatest Generals, 2008 Most Decisive Battle Campaign, 2008 Greatest Westerns Campaign 
Greatest Spy Movies Campaign Greatest Blunders Campaign Best Pin-Up Of World War II Most Significant/Influential Tank Campaign 
Most Significant/Influential Fighter Campaign Most Significant/Influential Multi-Role Aircraft C Tournament 1 of the ACG 2017-2018 
 
Real Name: John (NO LABELS)
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Stuttgart Germany
Posts: 47,322
Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+]  [+1]
Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Half Pint John has achieved enlightenment [1200+]
Belgium has some sane and intelligent residence, doesn't it?
__________________
"Ask not what your country can do for you"

Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power.

'half-baked, spurious nationalism'
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 02 Oct 17, 14:58
TactiKill J.'s Avatar
TactiKill J. TactiKill J. is offline
Lieutenant General
United_States
ACG 5 Year Service Ribbon 
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: PA
Posts: 3,752
TactiKill J. is walking in the light [200] TactiKill J. is walking in the light [200] TactiKill J. is walking in the light [200] TactiKill J. is walking in the light [200] TactiKill J. is walking in the light [200] TactiKill J. is walking in the light [200] TactiKill J. is walking in the light [200] TactiKill J. is walking in the light [200] TactiKill J. is walking in the light [200] TactiKill J. is walking in the light [200] TactiKill J. is walking in the light [200] TactiKill J. is walking in the light [200]
Drugs are more restricted than what you're proposing, yet they're so accessible a 13 year old can buy them.
__________________
"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
- Benjamin Franklin

The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 02 Oct 17, 15:06
Bwaha's Avatar
Bwaha Bwaha is offline
General of the Forums
United_States
ACG 5 Year Service Ribbon Best Pin-Up Of World War II Most Significant/Influential Tank Campaign Most Significant/Influential Fighter Campaign 
Most Significant/Influential Multi-Role Aircraft C Tournament 1 of the ACG 2017-2018 
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Orbiting the Sun
Posts: 18,438
Bwaha has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Bwaha has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Bwaha has achieved enlightenment [1200+]
Bwaha has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Bwaha has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Bwaha has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Bwaha has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Bwaha has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Bwaha has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Bwaha has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Bwaha has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Bwaha has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Bwaha has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Bwaha has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Bwaha has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Bwaha has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Bwaha has achieved enlightenment [1200+]
Of all the ignorant threads this one ranks up near the top. What is your definition of a assault weapon? You know that automatic weapons are illegal, right?

Oh I know, its black and scary with attachment points.

As far as regulating clip size, that was struck down by SCOTUS recently.

I got a better idea, either change the BOR or move to a country that doesn't allow civilian ownership of firearms.

I know, you just want to violate the constitution and the BOR.

Anybody who's got a shop can make their own firearms without any registration.

Silencers are illegal as well.

Background checks are required to buy even a shotgun...

Like I said, ignorant thread.
__________________
Credo quia absurdum.


Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 02 Oct 17, 15:06
T. A. Gardner's Avatar
T. A. Gardner T. A. Gardner is offline
General of the Forums
United_States
ACG 5 Year Service Ribbon Most Significant/Influential Tank Campaign Most Significant/Influential Fighter Campaign Most Significant/Influential Multi-Role Aircraft C 
Tournament 1 and preceding Mini-Polls Greatest/Best Tank of WW2 Campaign 
 
Real Name: T. A. Gardner
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Phoenix
Posts: 35,319
T. A. Gardner has achieved enlightenment [1200+] T. A. Gardner has achieved enlightenment [1200+] T. A. Gardner has achieved enlightenment [1200+] T. A. Gardner has achieved enlightenment [1200+] T. A. Gardner has achieved enlightenment [1200+]
T. A. Gardner has achieved enlightenment [1200+] T. A. Gardner has achieved enlightenment [1200+] T. A. Gardner has achieved enlightenment [1200+] T. A. Gardner has achieved enlightenment [1200+] T. A. Gardner has achieved enlightenment [1200+] T. A. Gardner has achieved enlightenment [1200+] T. A. Gardner has achieved enlightenment [1200+] T. A. Gardner has achieved enlightenment [1200+] T. A. Gardner has achieved enlightenment [1200+] T. A. Gardner has achieved enlightenment [1200+] T. A. Gardner has achieved enlightenment [1200+] T. A. Gardner has achieved enlightenment [1200+] T. A. Gardner has achieved enlightenment [1200+]
Quote:
Originally Posted by armor11 View Post
No automatic weapons.
It's already difficult to get a fully automatic weapon. It isn't too hard to convert many semi-autos to full auto. That is illegal already but if you plan on illegal use what's to stop you?

Quote:
Limit clips/magazines to 8 rounds
.
Doesn't mean they can't be modified. Hell, with 3D printing, it's possible to make your own one-time disposable ones now. This just restricts legal use, not illegal.

Quote:
Fingerprint/Background check before *any* firearm purchase.
They're already doing most of that. Doesn't help if the buyer is legal. This guy had zero criminal record.

Quote:
No concealed carry.
Again, only works on the law abiding. This guy hauled around a dozen firearms, probably most or all long arms into the hotel concealed. Banning this changes nothing for criminals.

Quote:
Massive PR campaign by NRA to discourage the use of assault weapons of any kind, but ESPECIALLY for home defense.
Huh? Most people use a shotgun or pistol for home defense.

Quote:
NRA encourages people to use lever action rifles for home defense.
You obviously have no clue what you're talking about here. As far as rifles for home defense go, I prefer a .22LR with a big magazine and a low light / wide angle scope for outside on the property. No penetration of neighbor's houses, more than enough to severely wound any criminal.
Indoors: Shotgun or pistol.


Quote:
Massive PR campaign by the POTUS for people to turn in their assault weapons voluntarily.
Massive PR campaign by NRA for people to turn in all but one of their assault weapons.
You going to pay people to do this? A good AR-15 these days sells for about $1500. Nobody in their right mind is going to just give away thousands of dollars of firearms.


Quote:
No silencers.
WTF has this got to do with anything? Virtually no weapons sold are designed to fit a silencer right now. This requires individual effort to do. Aside from that, they're easy to make and if you're a criminal adding one for nefarious purposes to a firearm is not that hard to do.

Quote:
Massive PR campaign by to discourage use of any caliber bullet > .45
Again showing you're lack of understanding of firearms. I can do lots of serious damage with something like a 25-06. That is a .25 jacketed bullet fired from a modified 30-06 cartridge at say 3600 fps muzzle velocity. The sonic round will leave a massive wound channel out of proportion to the small bullet size.

Quote:
If you can't smoke there, you can't carry a gun there.
Huh?

Quote:
The list goes on...
So do the inane suggestions from those who haven't got a clue about what they're talking about when it comes to firearms.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 02 Oct 17, 15:08
Arthwys's Avatar
Arthwys Arthwys is offline
General of the Forums
Canada
ACG 5 Year Service Ribbon Greatest Spy Movies Campaign Greatest Blunders Campaign Best Pin-Up Of World War II 
Most Significant/Influential Tank Campaign Most Significant/Influential Fighter Campaign Most Significant/Influential Multi-Role Aircraft C Tournament 1 and preceding Mini-Polls 
SPQR Campaign CWiE 1939-45 Campaign 
 
Real Name: Shawn
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: 50 58'34.10"N 115 35'04.87"W
Posts: 6,708
Arthwys is a glorious beacon of light [700]
Arthwys is a glorious beacon of light [700] Arthwys is a glorious beacon of light [700] Arthwys is a glorious beacon of light [700] Arthwys is a glorious beacon of light [700] Arthwys is a glorious beacon of light [700] Arthwys is a glorious beacon of light [700] Arthwys is a glorious beacon of light [700] Arthwys is a glorious beacon of light [700] Arthwys is a glorious beacon of light [700] Arthwys is a glorious beacon of light [700] Arthwys is a glorious beacon of light [700] Arthwys is a glorious beacon of light [700] Arthwys is a glorious beacon of light [700] Arthwys is a glorious beacon of light [700]
Background/Criminal record check, Psyche eval
No automatic weapons.

Seems simple doesn't it?

And yet...
__________________
BoRG
'A Battle is the Shield Wall. It's smelling your enemy's breath while he tries to disembowel you with an axe'
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 02 Oct 17, 15:09
Karri's Avatar
Karri Karri is offline
General of the Forums
Finland
ACG Ten Year Service Award ACG 5 Year Service Ribbon March Offensive Summer Campaign 
100 Greatest Generals, 2008 Most Decisive Battle Campaign, 2008 Greatest Westerns Campaign Greatest Spy Movies Campaign 
Best Pin-Up Of World War II CWiE 1939-45 Campaign 
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Monterrey
Posts: 9,355
Karri has earned the respect of all [900] Karri has earned the respect of all [900]
Karri has earned the respect of all [900] Karri has earned the respect of all [900] Karri has earned the respect of all [900] Karri has earned the respect of all [900] Karri has earned the respect of all [900] Karri has earned the respect of all [900]
Quote:
Originally Posted by TactiKill J. View Post
Drugs are more restricted than what you're proposing, yet they're so accessible a 13 year old can buy them.
There's some pretty big differences though...try fitting an AK up your ass for starters to smuggle it across the border.

Like TAG pointed out 3D printing is probably gonna make any law changes moot though. Restricting ammo would be wiser in that situation.
__________________
In a swamp scum rises to the top
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 02 Oct 17, 15:14
TactiKill J.'s Avatar
TactiKill J. TactiKill J. is offline
Lieutenant General
United_States
ACG 5 Year Service Ribbon 
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: PA
Posts: 3,752
TactiKill J. is walking in the light [200] TactiKill J. is walking in the light [200] TactiKill J. is walking in the light [200] TactiKill J. is walking in the light [200] TactiKill J. is walking in the light [200] TactiKill J. is walking in the light [200] TactiKill J. is walking in the light [200] TactiKill J. is walking in the light [200] TactiKill J. is walking in the light [200] TactiKill J. is walking in the light [200] TactiKill J. is walking in the light [200] TactiKill J. is walking in the light [200]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Karri View Post
There's some pretty big differences though...try fitting an AK up your ass for starters to smuggle it across the border.

Like TAG pointed out 3D printing is probably gonna make any law changes moot though. Restricting ammo would be wiser in that situation.
You don't have to. There's no reliable or legal way to get our current guns off the streets.
__________________
"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
- Benjamin Franklin

The new right wing: hate Muslims, preaches tolerance for Nazis.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 02 Oct 17, 15:21
Bwaha's Avatar
Bwaha Bwaha is offline
General of the Forums
United_States
ACG 5 Year Service Ribbon Best Pin-Up Of World War II Most Significant/Influential Tank Campaign Most Significant/Influential Fighter Campaign 
Most Significant/Influential Multi-Role Aircraft C Tournament 1 of the ACG 2017-2018 
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Orbiting the Sun
Posts: 18,438
Bwaha has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Bwaha has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Bwaha has achieved enlightenment [1200+]
Bwaha has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Bwaha has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Bwaha has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Bwaha has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Bwaha has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Bwaha has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Bwaha has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Bwaha has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Bwaha has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Bwaha has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Bwaha has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Bwaha has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Bwaha has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Bwaha has achieved enlightenment [1200+]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Karri View Post
There's some pretty big differences though...try fitting an AK up your ass for starters to smuggle it across the border.

Like TAG pointed out 3D printing is probably gonna make any law changes moot though. Restricting ammo would be wiser in that situation.
SCOTUS already struck that idea down.

What really needs to happen is we need to focus on mental health care. This guy was insane to do commit such a act...

If you think that building firearms and ammo is difficult watch this video.



What we need to do is separate guns from nutters and then get the nutters away from the general population...
__________________
Credo quia absurdum.


Quantum mechanics describes nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And yet it fully agrees with experiment. So I hope you can accept nature as She is - absurd! - Richard Feynman
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links

  #11  
Old 02 Oct 17, 15:23
Arthwys's Avatar
Arthwys Arthwys is offline
General of the Forums
Canada
ACG 5 Year Service Ribbon Greatest Spy Movies Campaign Greatest Blunders Campaign Best Pin-Up Of World War II 
Most Significant/Influential Tank Campaign Most Significant/Influential Fighter Campaign Most Significant/Influential Multi-Role Aircraft C Tournament 1 and preceding Mini-Polls 
SPQR Campaign CWiE 1939-45 Campaign 
 
Real Name: Shawn
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: 50 58'34.10"N 115 35'04.87"W
Posts: 6,708
Arthwys is a glorious beacon of light [700]
Arthwys is a glorious beacon of light [700] Arthwys is a glorious beacon of light [700] Arthwys is a glorious beacon of light [700] Arthwys is a glorious beacon of light [700] Arthwys is a glorious beacon of light [700] Arthwys is a glorious beacon of light [700] Arthwys is a glorious beacon of light [700] Arthwys is a glorious beacon of light [700] Arthwys is a glorious beacon of light [700] Arthwys is a glorious beacon of light [700] Arthwys is a glorious beacon of light [700] Arthwys is a glorious beacon of light [700] Arthwys is a glorious beacon of light [700] Arthwys is a glorious beacon of light [700]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bwaha View Post
Of all the ignorant threads this one ranks up near the top. What is your definition of a assault weapon? You know that automatic weapons are illegal, right?
Uh, when did this happen? It's purchase price, +200 tax stamp, and a full BG check... then wait 6-18 months for approval, and resubmit/pay renewal on stamp.

*A note on this. Once you have become the proud owner of a Select-fire/Automatic firearm you can expect visits from BATF who will visually confirm each and every firearm you have registered, and that you have stamps for all that are required. Not everyone is willing to go through the hassle.

Quote:
Silencers are illegal as well.
Suppressors are not blanket illegal in the US... Be 21+ years of age, Pay the $200 tax stamp per suppressor, and live in a state that allows them...

As of 2015 there were 42 states that allowed their ownership.


Quote:
Like I said, ignorant thread.
Dude...
__________________
BoRG
'A Battle is the Shield Wall. It's smelling your enemy's breath while he tries to disembowel you with an axe'

Last edited by Arthwys; 02 Oct 17 at 15:34..
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 02 Oct 17, 15:33
Stonewall_Jack's Avatar
Stonewall_Jack Stonewall_Jack is offline
Lieutenant General
United_States
 
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: Buffalo, NY
Posts: 3,626
Stonewall_Jack has demonstrated strength of character [100] Stonewall_Jack has demonstrated strength of character [100] Stonewall_Jack has demonstrated strength of character [100] Stonewall_Jack has demonstrated strength of character [100] Stonewall_Jack has demonstrated strength of character [100] Stonewall_Jack has demonstrated strength of character [100] Stonewall_Jack has demonstrated strength of character [100] Stonewall_Jack has demonstrated strength of character [100]
Quote:
Originally Posted by armor11 View Post
No automatic weapons.
Limit clips/magazines to 8 rounds.
Fingerprint/Background check before *any* firearm purchase.
No concealed carry.
Massive PR campaign by NRA to discourage the use of assault weapons of any kind, but ESPECIALLY for home defense.
NRA encourages people to use lever action rifles for home defense.
Massive PR campaign by the POTUS for people to turn in their assault weapons voluntarily.
Massive PR campaign by NRA for people to turn in all but one of their assault weapons.
No silencers.
Massive PR campaign by to discourage use of any caliber bullet > .45
If you can't smoke there, you can't carry a gun there.

The list goes on...
Those are fair points your making, and to maybe take things further perhaps assault rifles should be totally Illegal. What does one need an assault rifle for, what are folks going to walk around the parks or Vegas casinos with assault rifles in order to act as an equalizer to a potential shooter armed with an automatic weapon? A pistol, bolt action rifle or shotgun is enough for home defense. The assault or automatic rifle is used to fight in wars.

My 22 caliber rifle is enough for me although I dont have any bullets. Honestly in my area I dont even need a gun. Now the inner cities which are effected by poverty(the gov is failing the people of the city) are more crime ridden so I could see the average black or white working man wanting to arm himself due to gov and labor right failures in our country. I admit after the Vegas shooting I felt the need to go buy some bullets just in case my apartment is ever broken into. But I have yet to go to the store to buy bullets.
__________________
British and Russian Allies remembered https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TK3HAGdGYdM
The philosophy of the gospel is the philosophy of equality, consequently the most favorable to republican government
-Napoleon Bonaparte
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 02 Oct 17, 15:44
Arthwys's Avatar
Arthwys Arthwys is offline
General of the Forums
Canada
ACG 5 Year Service Ribbon Greatest Spy Movies Campaign Greatest Blunders Campaign Best Pin-Up Of World War II 
Most Significant/Influential Tank Campaign Most Significant/Influential Fighter Campaign Most Significant/Influential Multi-Role Aircraft C Tournament 1 and preceding Mini-Polls 
SPQR Campaign CWiE 1939-45 Campaign 
 
Real Name: Shawn
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: 50 58'34.10"N 115 35'04.87"W
Posts: 6,708
Arthwys is a glorious beacon of light [700]
Arthwys is a glorious beacon of light [700] Arthwys is a glorious beacon of light [700] Arthwys is a glorious beacon of light [700] Arthwys is a glorious beacon of light [700] Arthwys is a glorious beacon of light [700] Arthwys is a glorious beacon of light [700] Arthwys is a glorious beacon of light [700] Arthwys is a glorious beacon of light [700] Arthwys is a glorious beacon of light [700] Arthwys is a glorious beacon of light [700] Arthwys is a glorious beacon of light [700] Arthwys is a glorious beacon of light [700] Arthwys is a glorious beacon of light [700] Arthwys is a glorious beacon of light [700]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stonewall_Jack View Post
Those are fair points your making, and to maybe take things further perhaps assault rifles should be totally Illegal. What does one need an assault rifle for, what are folks going to walk around the parks or Vegas casinos with assault rifles in order to act as an equalizer to a potential shooter armed with an automatic weapon? A pistol, bolt action rifle or shotgun is enough for home defense. The assault or automatic rifle is used to fight in wars.

My 22 caliber rifle is enough for me although I dont have any bullets. Honestly in my area I dont even need a gun. Now the inner cities which are effected by poverty(the gov is failing the people of the city) are more crime ridden so I could see the average black or white working man wanting to arm himself due to gov and labor right failures in our country. I admit after the Vegas shooting I felt the need to go buy some bullets just in case my apartment is ever broken into. But I have yet to go to the store to buy bullets.
So to be fair an Assault Rifle is a firearm capable of select-fire, meaning it can be switched from (usually) single-shot semi-automatic, Three round burst*, and full automatic fire.

*not all select-fire modes incorporate 3-round burst capability.

Generally speaking no-one in civilian life "needs" a select-fire rifle. That doesn't mean that it's not fun to shoot them though. There are people that can speed fire an AR-15 (Armalite Rifle NOT Automatic Rifle) which is semi-automatic only, almost as quickly as a select-fire rifle on full auto. The accuracy isn't much better, and you're not going to ever get good accuracy from a full-auto cycle in any case... ever.

Fully-Automatic fire was intended to allow for fire-suppression in combat, basically to keep the opponents heads' down and minimize their return fire while your own elements maneuver into better positions.

It's not useful for anything else, but it is fun as hell to do at an approved range.
__________________
BoRG
'A Battle is the Shield Wall. It's smelling your enemy's breath while he tries to disembowel you with an axe'
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 02 Oct 17, 15:57
armor11's Avatar
armor11 armor11 is offline
Major General
United_States
ACG Ten Year Service Award ACG 5 Year Service Ribbon March Offensive 
 
Real Name: Tim McCormley
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: San Diego
Posts: 2,733
armor11 is on a distinguished road [300] armor11 is on a distinguished road [300] armor11 is on a distinguished road [300] armor11 is on a distinguished road [300] armor11 is on a distinguished road [300] armor11 is on a distinguished road [300] armor11 is on a distinguished road [300] armor11 is on a distinguished road [300] armor11 is on a distinguished road [300] armor11 is on a distinguished road [300] armor11 is on a distinguished road [300] armor11 is on a distinguished road [300] armor11 is on a distinguished road [300] armor11 is on a distinguished road [300]
Quote:
Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
It's already difficult to get a fully automatic weapon. It isn't too hard to convert many semi-autos to full auto. That is illegal already but if you plan on illegal use what's to stop you?
It might have stopped the guy in Vegas.

The idea is not that to come up with foolproof solutions for all possible scenarios. The idea is to move things away from "Incredibly dangerous weapons are pervasive in our society and easy to obtain and use.." to "Incredibly dangerous weapons are difficult to obtain and or use in our society and are discouraged by everyone."

An automatic weapon with a large capacity magazine firing bullets with extremely high muzzle velocity is an incredibly dangerous weapon that serves no useful civilian purpose and should be banned by federal law for everything except military use.

The NRA should be on board with that.
Every sane gun owner should be on board with that.
Everyone that respects the 2nd Amendment should be on board with that.
__________________
"I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. I just kiss. I don't even wait. You can do anything... Grab them by the [redacted]. You can do anything."
-The President of the United States of America.
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 02 Oct 17, 15:57
Salinator's Avatar
Salinator Salinator is offline
ACG Forums - Field Marshall
United_States
Distinguished Service Award ACG Ten Year Service Award ACG 5 Year Service Ribbon March Offensive 
Summer Campaign 100 Greatest Generals, 2008 Most Decisive Battle Campaign, 2008 Greatest Westerns Campaign 
Greatest Spy Movies Campaign Greatest Blunders Campaign Best Pin-Up Of World War II Most Significant/Influential Tank Campaign 
Most Significant/Influential Fighter Campaign Most Significant/Influential Multi-Role Aircraft C Tournament 1 of the ACG 2017-2018 Model Forum Group Build 
SPQR Campaign 
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: no man's land
Posts: 18,034
Salinator has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Salinator has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Salinator has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Salinator has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Salinator has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Salinator has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Salinator has achieved enlightenment [1200+]
Salinator has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Salinator has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Salinator has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Salinator has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Salinator has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Salinator has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Salinator has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Salinator has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Salinator has achieved enlightenment [1200+] Salinator has achieved enlightenment [1200+]
Quote:
Originally Posted by armor11 View Post
If you can't smoke there, you can't carry a gun there.
That won't help much in the Vegas shooting. You can smoke just about anywhere in Vegas.
__________________
Prayers.


BoRG


http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/8757/snap1ws8.jpg
Reply With Quote
Reply

Please bookmark this thread if you enjoyed it!


Thread Tools
Display Modes



Forum Jump

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:48.
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.