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"Anti Fascism" and the destruction of meaning

"Fascism is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and control of industry and commerce."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

It is reasonable to debate the nature of fascism but it is a symptom of social decline when the definition of words are so fluid that it is impossible to understand what someone is trying to say. The misuse of the term fascism by the left goes beyond propaganda and seems to reflect a cognitive deficit. Any argument they may want to make against nationalism by labeling every nationalist a fascist is destroyed by their apparent low verbal IQ.

Nationalism is an easy target without misusing the language. The problem is the left also seems to suffer from a cognitive deficit when considering any practical considerations. Putting into practice utopian ideology without doing the hard work of laying the practical foundation reflects a personality that is low in conscientiousness. Empathy is no substitute for comprehension and labor.

When we see communist carrying pictures of Mao Zedong, Che Guevara, Fidel Castro or Joseph Stalin the cognitive deficit is apparent. All of these leaders reflect Fascist ideology more closely than any of the people the left labels fascist. They all engaged in dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and control of industry and commerce. The degree to which they were also nationalists is also fairly apparent.

The educational system is a disgrace and it's failure is not only reflected in the improper use of language by activists but by the incompetence and laziness of the press.
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"Fascism is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and control of industry and commerce."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

It is reasonable to debate the nature of fascism but it is a symptom of social decline when the definition of words are so fluid that it is impossible to understand what someone is trying to say. The misuse of the term fascism by the left goes beyond propaganda and seems to reflect a cognitive deficit. Any argument they may want to make against nationalism by labeling every nationalist a fascist is destroyed by their apparent low verbal IQ.

Nationalism is an easy target without misusing the language. The problem is the left also seems to suffer from a cognitive deficit when considering any practical considerations. Putting into practice utopian ideology without doing the hard work of laying the practical foundation reflects a personality that is low in conscientiousness. Empathy is no substitute for comprehension and labor.

When we see communist carrying pictures of Mao Zedong, Che Guevara, Fidel Castro or Joseph Stalin the cognitive deficit is apparent. All of these leaders reflect Fascist ideology more closely than any of the people the left labels fascist. They all engaged in dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and control of industry and commerce. The degree to which they were also nationalists is also fairly apparent.

The educational system is a disgrace and it's failure is not only reflected in the improper use of language by activists but by the incompetence and laziness of the press.

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Some scholars consider fascism to be right-wing because of its social conservatism and its authoritarian means of opposing egalitarianism.[45][46] Roderick Stackelberg places fascism—including Nazism, which he says is "a radical variant of fascism"—on the political right, explaining that, "The more a person deems absolute equality among all people to be a desirable condition, the further left he or she will be on the ideological spectrum. The more a person considers inequality to be unavoidable or even desirable, the further to the right he or she will be."[47]
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When we see communist carrying pictures of Mao Zedong, Che Guevara, Fidel Castro or Joseph Stalin the cognitive deficit is apparent. All of these leaders reflect Fascist ideology more closely than any of the people the left labels fascist. They all engaged in dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and control of industry and commerce.
Not every dictatorship is fascist. Communism was left-wing and internationalist ideology, fascism/Nazism - right-wing and nationalist. So the opposite ends of the spectrum.
Of course, the term "anti-fascists" in 2017 is pretty meaningless for a lack of fascists in any sizeable quantities.
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IIRC, soon after the WWII Winston Churchill said that the new form of fascism will be called "anti-fascism".
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The rest of the story.

Some scholars consider fascism to be right-wing because of its social conservatism and its authoritarian means of opposing egalitarianism.[45][46] Roderick Stackelberg places fascism—including Nazism, which he says is "a radical variant of fascism"—on the political right, explaining that, "The more a person deems absolute equality among all people to be a desirable condition, the further left he or she will be on the ideological spectrum. The more a person considers inequality to be unavoidable or even desirable, the further to the right he or she will be."[47]
I believe you completely missed the point in the OP. Calling anyone to the right of the current ultra left wing is intellectual laziness. To me at least, the terms right and left are themselves extremely unclear in what they mean. For example, both libertarians and fascists are considered right wing when they are polar opposites.
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Not every dictatorship is fascist. Communism was left-wing and internationalist ideology, fascism/Nazism - right-wing and nationalist. So the opposite ends of the spectrum.
Of course, the term "anti-fascists" in 2017 is pretty meaningless for a lack of fascists in any sizeable quantities.
That makes ZERO sense. Communism and Fascism are both totalitarian governments, heavy on Socialism in economics, and their one big difference is Communism is internationalist (one world government) versus Fascism being nationalist. In my view that puts them both on the Left with detail differences.
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I believe you completely missed the point in the OP. Calling anyone to the right of the current ultra left wing is intellectual laziness. To me at least, the terms right and left are themselves extremely unclear in what they mean. For example, both libertarians and fascists are considered right wing when they are polar opposites.
And it's on that count that I consider fascism a left-wing ideology, in that both socialism and fascism maintain that the state is the overarching factor in both public and private life. Under both ideologies the significance of the individual is diminished under the juggernaut that is the state. When viewed like that, both fascism and socialism can be considered little more than slightly different flavors of statism.
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I believe you completely missed the point in the OP. Calling anyone to the right of the current ultra left wing is intellectual laziness. To me at least, the terms right and left are themselves extremely unclear in what they mean. For example, both libertarians and fascists are considered right wing when they are polar opposites.
Truth in what you say.

We have many here that call anyone to their left RINO or leftist when I can only think of maybe 1 1/2 leftist here.
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The irony of course is that intellectuals seem attracted to collectivist ideologies. While the activists in general may be confused about the philosophy behind their ideology that seems unlikely to explain left leaning intellectuals indifference towards accurate definitions and historical patterns. Infinite regression probably accounts for some of the dissonance but I suspect that elitism and resentment are significant factors. If you are clever enough you can build a logical case for anything in the absence of empirical evidence.

Are individuals like Noam Chomsky dishonest or so full of bitterness at their relative irrelevance and lack of power that they are self consuming intellectually? Rage can be a blinding influence if it goes unchecked especially when you have convinced yourself that it is justified.
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Truth in what you say.

We have many here that call anyone to their left RINO or leftist when I can only think of maybe 1 1/2 leftist here.
Very true, it goes both ways. However, it is safe to call someone a communist when they wave Soviet flags and show pictures of Stalin and Che Guervaro. Or maybe ignorant is a better label.
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The irony of course is that intellectuals seem attracted to collectivist ideologies. While the activists in general may be confused about the philosophy behind their ideology that seems unlikely to explain left leaning intellectuals indifference towards accurate definitions and historical patterns. Infinite regression probably accounts for some of the dissonance but I suspect that elitism and resentment are significant factors. If you are clever enough you can build a logical case for anything in the absence of empirical evidence.

Are individuals like Noam Chomsky dishonest or so full of bitterness at their relative irrelevance and lack of power that they are self consuming intellectually? Rage can be a blinding influence if it goes unchecked especially when you have convinced yourself that it is justified.
Is this because the intellectuals assume they would be running the collectivist societies?
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Truth in what you say.

We have many here that call anyone to their left RINO or leftist when I can only think of maybe 1 1/2 leftist here.
"1 1/2"? " That half a leftist, did he have a run-in with King Solomon or something?

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Is this because the intellectuals assume they would be running the collectivist societies?
I believe that is part of the equation, certainly the anti democratic bureaucrats of the EU fit that model.
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Very true, it goes both ways. However, it is safe to call someone a communist when they wave Soviet flags and show pictures of Stalin and Che Guervaro...
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