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The Brits Who Fought For Hitler



The documentary includes information on various British groups and individuals whom stood for the German cause during WW2. We can see from the documentary how decades later and now living in peace and comfort the British traitor James Clarke explains why he stood for Hitler and went against his own county. Their numbers were low, the British traitors that is, but they were real and were a threat to the allied cause and surely the vast majorty of Brits detested such traitors . Traitors such as John Amery regularly broadcast anti allied propaganda messages from Axis lands.

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And what a difficult cause wrt John Amery whose father served with distinction in the British military. It must have been difficult for John Amerys father to deal with the execution of his son post WW2 for treason.

The Brits who fought for Hitler reminds of the low # of British and American men whom have joined ISILs cause, low in # but a threat nonetheless to the anti ISIL coalition.
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They were hardly a "threat to the Allied cause" as they were so ineffectual and insignificant that even the Germans recognized they were a joke. The British Freikorps are really nothing but an interesting footnote whose impact was non existent.
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Interesting documentary because of the interviews. The documentary tries to sensationalize things but fails.

The British Free Corps comes off as a small group of POWs who succumbed to the temptation of food, beer, and women as a reward for treason. They were a very small drop in the threat bucket.
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Interesting the then Duke of Wellington was sympathetic to the Nazis.

His son fought and was killed in the war. In that case it was the father who was a disgrace to the son.

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They were hardly a "threat to the Allied cause" as they were so ineffectual and insignificant that even the Germans recognized they were a joke. The British Freikorps are really nothing but an interesting footnote whose impact was non existent.
And since this is the World War Two forum, discussions on ISIL or other modern conflicts have no place here. If you wish to discuss them, please move your discussion to the proper part of the forum
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I for one will not take part in any discussion of such on this forum. lcm1
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Interesting documentary because of the interviews. The documentary tries to sensationalize things but fails.

The British Free Corps comes off as a small group of POWs who succumbed to the temptation of food, beer, and women as a reward for treason. They were a very small drop in the threat bucket.
I'd add that not only the notion of "threat" is a miserable attempt at sensationalizing these guys; but also the word "fought" is out of place. The most they did was to be propaganda tools, and ineffective at that.
But then again, that seems par for the course.
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Britain spawned a number of right wing groups with extreme views including a contempt for democracy, anti semitism and a denial of civil liberties These included the British Fascists and the National Fascisti. However the original overtly facist movement was the Loyalty League founded by Brigadier General Cyril Pescott- Decie in 1922 with the avowed intention of emulating the Italian Facists.

Cyril Pescott- Decie went to school with Rudyard Kipling. He later fought in Boer War. In 1915 he was Commandant Artillery 1st Division Peshawar. He was then posted to France and became Commandant Artillery 4th Division. He was severely wounded gained 2 Mentions in Despatches and was awarded the DSO 1917. Of Anglo Irish extraction he was a Commissioner in Royal Irish Constabulary during the troubles and gained a reputation for extreme views - the infamous Prescott- Decie letter publicly advocating a shoot to kill on sight policy with regard to known Nationalist supporters but not specifying how these were to be identified on sight. Perhaps not surprisingly he appeared on an IRA death list next to Field Marshal Henry Wilson. The authorities did not take this seriously until Wilson was murdered by the IRA wereafter Pescott- Decie became the subject of some rather extreme (and sometimes down right silly) security measures (including removing his home from OS maps until about 30 years after his death).

The Loyalty Leaguers tended to be somewhat nutty conspiracy theorists, Pescott- Decie for example being a leading exponent of the view that Winston Churchill had been complicit in a conspiracy leading to Kitchener's death. They took the view that most immigrants ought to be barred from entering Britain and any already in place should be deported. They were viciously antisemitic. However they believed that in any future war Britain would be fighting alongside Italy, and later Germany, against the Soviet Union. When it later became increasingly obvious that Britain would be fighting Germany membership of the various British Fascist organisations began to wane extremely rapidly.
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Interesting documentary because of the interviews. The documentary tries to sensationalize things but fails.

The British Free Corps comes off as a small group of POWs who succumbed to the temptation of food, beer, and women as a reward for treason. They were a very small drop in the threat bucket.
I dont see the documentary as sensationalizing things. I agree the doc was interesting it shows what has been a common occurrence throughout history...soldiers changing from one side to another whether it be in small or large fashion it occurred in WW2 on both the allied and axis side.
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I'd add that not only the notion of "threat" is a miserable attempt at sensationalizing these guys; but also the word "fought" is out of place. The most they did was to be propaganda tools, and ineffective at that.
But then again, that seems par for the course.
I disagree with your approach. I add fwiw that neither the documentary nor the OP are sensationalizing anything rather they are showing the very British men whom fought for the German cause in WW2...few in numbers yes but certainly they existed.
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And that is your choice. Your one of thousands of members we all have our opinion. What exactly is your issue if I may ask as neither the OP nor documentary supports the axis cause.. I for one support the allied cause if your issue is a moral one it is a misunderstanding on your part. The history channel is the entity that put out the documentary, I disagree with your approach above I feel you are missing out.
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I can sympathise with lcm1 in not wishing to feed the troll - as a troll is what you are albeit a more subtle and sophisticated one than some cruder posters. I only post to act as a counterpoint.
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They were hardly a "threat to the Allied cause" as they were so ineffectual and insignificant that even the Germans recognized they were a joke. The British Freikorps are really nothing but an interesting footnote whose impact was non existent.
And since this is the World War Two forum, discussions on ISIL or other modern conflicts have no place here. If you wish to discuss them, please move your discussion to the proper part of the forum
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I forgot to respond to this. And yes I felt when I made the post that the appropriate forum might be the warfare through the ages section...but I ended up posting my OP here in the WW2 section. It makes sense though wrt your points, the Isil comparison probably does not belong here. So I ask if this thread can be moved to the warfare through the ages section.. as the scholars have said history echoes throughout the ages and I have some comparisons I would like to make between treatment of the British free corps by Germany during WW2 compared to treatment of British Isil members by Isil.
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