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Food for thought;

A news agency commissions a poll that shows rising trust in the media news and lowering trust in the president.....
Yep...kind of a credibility issue there...
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Of course, the counter to that is that the big boys also have more to lose as well. If some blogger turns out to be a liar, then he loses his blog audience, and can just go create another one with a different name. But when CNN or Fox have big PR issues, it can have big financial consequences, and we've seen journalists with big paychecks get canned before.
More often than not, big media companies' PR issues that resulted in terminations arose from either deliberate misrepresentation of facts (CNN reporting use of nerve agent against US deserters in Viet Nam, Stephan Glass of The New York Times) or crass callousness, like that in-house CBS counsel yesterday. While certain stories may generate controversy, if the reporting is solid and presented neutrally, then only partisans can gripe, and therefore no reputable journalist from a reputable institution should loose his job.

Though I'm sure that there are exceptions . . . .

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But like all things, its not that one way is "right" so much as the variety itself.
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Journalists very much had to watch what they said, however. They could hammer Nixon for sure, but they also couldn't explicitly come out and start vocally declaring they were in favor of equal rights for blacks without losing their southern affiliates and a lot of ad revenue. It's not that they were explicitly objective, its that they had to at least consider and pay greater lip-service to that concept.
It was the coverage of the Emmitt Till case in a national publication (Life, Time, Newsweek?) and later television coverage that kinda jump-started the civil rights movement in the early 1950s. Yeah, Southerners resented any coverage of a lynching, but the facts were indisputable, so the national outlets ran with it anyway. Besides, when the perps bragged about their acquittal, Southerners lost their moral high ground: they fell off a shelf. That's an example of the very story itself upsetting certain sensibilities, but the major outlets ran it anyway.

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Hell, one has to remember that the AP itself was created as a business meant to provide palatable copy to newspapers across the nation in a time when a great amount of journalism was bitter, local and partisan in the extreme. For them, copy had to be close to the middle because it made business sense.
For AP, UPI, Reuters, yeah. You're forgetting, or perhaps you're unaware, that there were all kinds of wire services before the advent of television. Over the years several wire services were explicitly liberal/progressive in slant, and provided such content to publications around the country.

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In an age when there were less than a handful of ways to get national news on the television, having ABC or CBS running a modern Fox or MSNBC approach to the news would have driven their audience into their rivals hands.
See Emmitt Till, or any number of damning pieces about segregation in the South: Southerners' antipathy towards anything remotely sympathetic towards "Martin Lucifer Coon" didn't change the Rocks' coverage, and the Southerners still kept watching. Year, today's internet provides Stormfront, but back then, while gripe they did, the KKK still watched the news on CBS, ABC, NBC. They had no choice.

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But it is inescapable and an inherent part of a healthy democracy. One cannot have a representative government with an ill-informed citizenry
You mean like what we got now?

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and what's more, what are the alternatives? Would any of us trust a society where the only news sources are provided as a public service by the government?
You mean that Pravda does not always mean truth?

There are all kinds of currencies: money need not be the only one. For political reporters, access is a form of currency, perhaps more important than money for a journalist that wants to stay employed. Many's the scribe whose traded a favorable story for access. Judith Miller's take on why reporters publish leaks when they know that they're being used by the leakers was frankly stomach-churning. For a real gross abuse, look at how The New York Times traded endorsements to two Republican figures -- Rudolph Giuliani and George Pataki -- for eminent domain condemnations that would ultimately clear the space for The Times' shiny new headquarters on Eighth Avenue. Of this I sht you not.

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One good way to consider was from Stephen Fry who (and I paraphrase here) was talking about how people just like their "five minutes of hate". They read something at the morning table (usually about those damned liberals/conservatives), scoff into their coffee, then head off to work. People like to be reinforced and feel they are right, so it is natural that people seek out sources that appeal to them and reinforce their beliefs.
Ahh, the perception of moral superiority without any of its inconvenient substance.

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Which is natural but dangerous. Sometimes we need to be challenged, even if the challenger is still wrong.
These days moreso than ever I fear. Folks are just too comfortable in their prejudices to even acknowledge that 2+2=4.

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People with common sense have never trusted the press.

"It is far better that you fear the media, for they will steal your HONOR. That awful power, the public opinion of a nation, is created in America by a horde of ignorant, self-complacent simpletons who failed at ditching and shoemaking and fetched up in journalism on their way to the poorhouse." ~Mark Twain


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It's only the elitist champagne leftists and establishment conservatives that think disrespect for the press is an issue.
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Yeah , better trust a one man's blog rather than a newspaper with thousands of various opinions.
Better to trust centuries of cultural development than the utopian hell that the left is offering.

Post modernism and Marxism are cancers that spawn other diseases such as multiculturalism. The educational system that produces the media is a disgrace. It is ironically anti intellectual and has no historical perspective.
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Yeah , better trust a one man's blog rather than a newspaper with thousands of various opinions.
I would sure like to know what newspaper that is that has thousands of various opinions - rather than thousands of opinions within the same ideological format.
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Post modernism and Marxism are cancers that spawn other diseases such as multiculturalism. The educational system that produces the media is a disgrace. It is ironically anti intellectual and has no historical perspective.
Wolf, baby...America is about as multi culti as they come. Sorry to spoil your delusion.
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I would sure like to know what newspaper that is that has thousands of various opinions - rather than thousands of opinions within the same ideological format.
I would sure like to know who still reads newspapers.
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sure--we trust the media as they continue to distort/lie/etc
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/03/opinio...ion/index.html

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I would sure like to know who still reads newspapers.
The World doesn't live just inside the US? Through out Germany you can see people reading newspapers daily in all the many coffee house.
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sure--we trust the media as they continue to distort/lie/etc
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No different than your Trump.
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