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Poll: Public confidence in media rises as trust in Trump falls

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Public trust in the news media is increasing as trust in the Trump administration decreases, new data from Reuters/Ipsos reveals.

A poll released Tuesday found that 48 percent of adults surveyed say they have a “great deal” or “some confidence in the press, an 11-point increase from last November. Forty-five percent say they have “hardly any” confidence in the press, down from 51 percent.

The Reuters/Ipsos data also shows that public confidence in President Trump has decreased among both Republicans and Democrats since the president took office.

The survey found that 48 percent of Americans say they have a “great deal” or “some” confidence in the president, down from 52 percent in January.
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I give it a year - three tops - before people get back to their established routine.

Or more accurately, it will just take another Brian Williams to put things back onto their old trajectory.
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The never ending propaganda.
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The never ending propaganda.
I was disappointed the first response didn't include "fake news" in there.
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Why can't they bring back folks like Dan Rather, Tom Brokaw, Walter Cronkite, Chet Huntley and Dave Brinkley...people we could believe and (depending on our party affiliation du jour) trust?
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Why can't they bring back folks like Dan Rather, Tom Brokaw, Walter Cronkite, Chet Huntley and Dave Brinkley...people we could believe and (depending on our party affiliation du jour) trust?
Because the age of the three news network monopoly is gone, and we now live in the age of 24-hour live coverage and a fragmented audience.

Hence the rise of fake news - not the rallying cry used by people against anything they dislike, but actually fabricated stories published by anonymous or less reputable sources where being found out to be a liar is less damning.

Besides, it's good that we have distrust of the media. The problem is that people are not remaining skeptical, they are then shuffling their trust to other sources and not learning their lesson. Being critical of CNN when they pull their bull is great, but not when one then turns to InfoWars as an "alternative".
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The Clinton way of persuasion, stupid that anyone believes this ****.

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Why can't they bring back folks like Dan Rather, Tom Brokaw, Walter Cronkite, Chet Huntley and Dave Brinkley...people we could believe and (depending on our party affiliation du jour) trust?
Dan Rather and Tom Brokaw were pretty phony too. Rather fabricated a tale of getting mugged on a New York street ("what's the frequency, Kenneth?" ) and the film Broadcast News' anchorman character, whose great talent was to be able to cry on command



was actually based on Tom Brokaw's career. The truth is is that television journalism has never been any great shakes; it's just even lousier now, if that can be believed.
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Dan Rather and Tom Brokaw were pretty phony too. Rather fabricated a tale of getting mugged on a New York street ("what's the frequency, Kenneth?" ) and the film Broadcast News' anchorman character, whose great talent was to be able to cry on command



was actually based on Tom Brokaw's career. The truth is is that television journalism has never been any great shakes; it's just even lousier now, if that can be believed.
It's also that the television news media, while still a near monopoly in terms of corporate control, has been sundered by the rise of cable. There are many more options for updates, not just on tv but online as well.

Another reason for the rise in distrust is that, in the "glory days", news coverage had to be palatable to a wide audience because there were only a handful of options and, if one station alienated half the country, they'd lose a huge swath of their viewers.

Today is more like the 19th and early 20th centuries, when newspapers were much more partisan and numerous. Hell, even Lincoln had a German newspaper or two he owned to preach his own party line to German-speaking voters. There are more sources than ever, each with their own bent that can appeal to a reader looking for something specific.

But again, the biggest issue I see isn't that people are distrustful of the news media, its that their trust is partisan itself. Which is another one of those similarities to centuries past.

When obtaining news reports, one should always be a little skeptical, regardless of whether or not one agrees with the article or the author. Likewise, just because someone with a different view says something, one shouldn't just dismiss it out of hand.

Rational skepticism is quite healthy. But deciding that one "trusts" a news source just because it is critical of Trump or Obama is just as bad as rejecting anything negative published about them instead.
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It's also that the television news media, while still a near monopoly in terms of corporate control, has been sundered by the rise of cable. There are many more options for updates, not just on tv but online as well.
Which is generally a good thing, in my view. The traditional sources have proven more than once that they have no monopoly on quality reporting, nor have they ever been beyond reproach.

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Another reason for the rise in distrust is that, in the "glory days", news coverage had to be palatable to a wide audience because there were only a handful of options and, if one station alienated half the country, they'd lose a huge swath of their viewers.
You know, they hammered the snot out of Richard Nixon for years, and well beyond the fact that he deserved it. Tricky Dick was the New York media's (and back then, 30 Rock, Cap Rock, and Black Rock -- hq's for NBC, ABC, and CBS, respectively -- dominated US journalism to an even greater degree than Wall Street dominated financial services) bęte noire for having the audacity to out Alger Hiss' duplicity. Combine that with Nixon's innate inclination towards self-pity and victimhood and it was only natural that the media would tee off on him. For better than two decades the Fourth Estate's coverage of Richard Nixon was highly slanted. Since the technology did not yet exist to afford the populace a widely available alternative, Nixon partisans just had to suck on it. So no, television journalism did not have to play it "down the middle."

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Today is more like the 19th and early 20th centuries, when newspapers were much more partisan and numerous. Hell, even Lincoln had a German newspaper or two he owned to preach his own party line to German-speaking voters. There are more sources than ever, each with their own bent that can appeal to a reader looking for something specific.
I blame Thos Jefferson, and his love affair with James Callender: right from go our government has been in bed with the Fourth Estate. It's been an unholy alliance, at the very least. It's also been parasitic. Overall, it flat out sucks.

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But again, the biggest issue I see isn't that people are distrustful of the news media, its that their trust is partisan itself. Which is another one of those similarities to centuries past.
I've noted in the past that Homo sapiens tends to elevate its perceived interests to the level of holy writ. Consequently, not only is it moral to pursue one's interests with all the savagery of a religious zealot (or atheistic socialist, as the case may be) it's also ethically necessary to denigrate one's opponents as Satan's spawn, as well. So it should come as no surprise that partisan news outlets -- pandering as they do to partisan consumers -- propagate their readers'/viewers' shrill tones, and even on occasion instigate them.

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When obtaining news reports, one should always be a little skeptical, regardless of whether or not one agrees with the article or the author. Likewise, just because someone with a different view says something, one shouldn't just dismiss it out of hand.

Rational skepticism is quite healthy. But deciding that one "trusts" a news source just because it is critical of Trump or Obama is just as bad as rejecting anything negative published about them instead.
That should go without saying. Now prepare yourself for public flagellation and eternal damnation.
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Which is generally a good thing, in my view. The traditional sources have proven more than once that they have no monopoly on quality reporting, nor have they ever been beyond reproach.
Of course, the counter to that is that the big boys also have more to lose as well. If some blogger turns out to be a liar, then he loses his blog audience, and can just go create another one with a different name. But when CNN or Fox have big PR issues, it can have big financial consequences, and we've seen journalists with big paychecks get canned before.

But like all things, its not that one way is "right" so much as the variety itself.

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You know, they hammered the snot out of Richard Nixon for years, and well beyond the fact that he deserved it. Tricky Dick was the New York media's (and back then, 30 Rock, Cap Rock, and Black Rock -- hq's for NBC, ABC, and CBS, respectively -- dominated US journalism to an even greater degree than Wall Street dominated financial services) bęte noire for having the audacity to out Alger Hiss' duplicity. Combine that with Nixon's innate inclination towards self-pity and victimhood and it was only natural that the media would tee off on him. For better than two decades the Fourth Estate's coverage of Richard Nixon was highly slanted. Since the technology did not yet exist to afford the populace a widely available alternative, Nixon partisans just had to suck on it. So no, television journalism did not have to play it "down the middle."
Journalists very much had to watch what they said, however. They could hammer Nixon for sure, but they also couldn't explicitly come out and start vocally declaring they were in favor of equal rights for blacks without losing their southern affiliates and a lot of ad revenue. It's not that they were explicitly objective, its that they had to at least consider and pay greater lip-service to that concept.

Hell, one has to remember that the AP itself was created as a business meant to provide palatable copy to newspapers across the nation in a time when a great amount of journalism was bitter, local and partisan in the extreme. For them, copy had to be close to the middle because it made business sense.

In an age when there were less than a handful of ways to get national news on the television, having ABC or CBS running a modern Fox or MSNBC approach to the news would have driven their audience into their rivals hands.

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I blame Thos Jefferson, and his love affair with James Callender: right from go our government has been in bed with the Fourth Estate. It's been an unholy alliance, at the very least. It's also been parasitic. Overall, it flat out sucks.
But it is inescapable and an inherent part of a healthy democracy. One cannot have a representative government with an ill-informed citizenry - and what's more, what are the alternatives? Would any of us trust a society where the only news sources are provided as a public service by the government?

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I've noted in the past that Homo sapiens tends to elevate its perceived interests to the level of holy writ. Consequently, not only is it moral to pursue one's interests with all the savagery of a religious zealot (or atheistic socialist, as the case may be) it's also ethically necessary to denigrate one's opponents as Satan's spawn, as well. So it should come as no surprise that partisan news outlets -- pandering as they do to partisan consumers -- propagate their readers'/viewers' shrill tones, and even on occasion instigate them.
One good way to consider was from Stephen Fry who (and I paraphrase here) was talking about how people just like their "five minutes of hate". They read something at the morning table (usually about those damned liberals/conservatives), scoff into their coffee, then head off to work. People like to be reinforced and feel they are right, so it is natural that people seek out sources that appeal to them and reinforce their beliefs.

Which is natural but dangerous. Sometimes we need to be challenged, even if the challenger is still wrong.

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That should go without saying. Now prepare yourself for public flagellation and eternal damnation.
Kinky.
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