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Reporters fail to understand the concept of "secret mission"

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SAS ‘launches mission to kill Osama bin Laden’s terror leader son Hamza’
Hamza bin Laden, 28, is said to be the new man in charge at al-Qaida, which is a big concern for intelligence services in Britain and the US
Hamza is apparently still upset Navy Seals killed his dad in 2011, and is thought to want revenge on the West. He reportedly left his father’s hideout in Abbottabad, Pakistan, weeks prior to him being shot dead. The UK has now decided to take him down and has OK’d a manhunt to either ‘kill or capture’ him, according to the Daily Star./
http://metro.co.uk/2017/10/01/sas-la...hamza-6969471/
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Who told them?
Good question. Good thing this isn't 1940.
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Good question. Good thing this isn't 1940.
How do you know this wasn't part of a plan by the government to leak that information to a willing reporter for their own ends? We may have only just started going down this rabbit hole, my friend!
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It just goes to show how gullible the MSM can be and the ' classified-material-be-damned-I'm-printing-this-even-if-I-compromise-friendly-assets-in-place-in-dangerous-places' attitude that many journalists have adopted in recent years.
I'd like to see a penalty given to news agencies whose stories, predicated on leaks from "anonymous sources", lead to failure of any particular covert or overt mission or military operation led against our enemies.
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It just goes to show how gullible the MSM can be and the ' classified-material-be-damned-I'm-printing-this-even-if-I-compromise-friendly-assets-in-place-in-dangerous-places' attitude that many journalists have adopted in recent years.
I'd like to see a penalty given to news agencies whose stories, predicated on leaks from "anonymous sources", lead to failure of any particular covert or overt mission or military operation led against our enemies.
There's nothing in the article that suggests this was a secret mission. I'm not sure why that was automatically assumed.
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Given the abysmal failures to keep secrets actually secret over the years, it's really not fair to blame the LSM for this. The l,ame is entirely on the official who leaked it in the first place.
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There's nothing in the article that suggests this was a secret mission. I'm not sure why that was automatically assumed.
Closest might have been this; ...
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The SAS unit will apparently consist of 40 soldiers, who will be joined by troops from other countries in a joint military action in Syria known as Operation Shader.
Hamza is one of their ‘top ten most wanted’ targets but they will also be pursuing others.
They will reportedly have the best technology available to them but a source who spoke to the Star said having an informant on the ground could prove more decisive. "

But you're correct, nothing says specifically "secret mission" and one would guess the target knows he is such. "Metro" source seems to have re-juggled the DailyStar content;
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/late...ial-forces-sas
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Closest might have been this; ...
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The SAS unit will apparently consist of 40 soldiers, who will be joined by troops from other countries in a joint military action in Syria known as Operation Shader.
Hamza is one of their ‘top ten most wanted’ targets but they will also be pursuing others.
They will reportedly have the best technology available to them but a source who spoke to the Star said having an informant on the ground could prove more decisive. "

But you're correct, nothing says specifically "secret mission" and one would guess the target knows he is such. "Metro" source seems to have re-juggled the DailyStar content;
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/late...ial-forces-sas
I first found the story published on middle eastern news networks. As soon as foreign agencies are involved secrecy is impossible.
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Most politicians do not understand the word "secret", either.
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So, one solution may just be not to tell politicians about any proposed military actions, secret or not. Just keep the elected officials out of the loop completely and some of the leaks my go away. There are too many 'public officials' out there who have no 'need to know'.
Pentagon should just say, "Give us money and we will do the rest. Don't worry your little self about the nasty particulars."
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So, one solution may just be not to tell politicians about any proposed military actions, secret or not. Just keep the elected officials out of the loop completely and some of the leaks my go away. There are too many 'public officials' out there who have no 'need to know'.
Pentagon should just say, "Give us money and we will do the rest. Don't worry your little self about the nasty particulars."
When it comes to operations in hostile territory the fewer people in the know the few chances you risk of a leak, today that could mean someone hacking your server or cell phone.
Loose lips and sunk ships.
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