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That's why England and Belgium and Germany have their monthly mass shootings.

BS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Meaningless twaddle .

There is no corelation between the number of homicides and the number of firearms .
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Such a person will always have access to a gun;laws can not prevent people who want to kill to buy weapons .
That's why England and Belgium and Germany have their monthly mass shootings.

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Such a person will always have access to a gun;laws can not prevent people who want to kill to buy weapons .
That is just patently false.

And I'm hugely pro-gun. But that broken line of reasoning is just absurd. There are dozens of ways to implement legal constraint that would grossly reduce the instances of firearm deaths in the United States.

Just because those paths are political suicide and would be fought tooth and claw by a huge swath of Americans (without even touching the Constitutional aspects, which are massive) doesn't mean there aren't actual ways of doing it.

It's just that nobody wants to follow them, for better and for worse.
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There is no corelation between the number of homicides and the number of firearms .
The people in Vegas will be delighted to know that, I'm sure.
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As long as *you* don't have access to a gun, our laws work as intended
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Wake up, why do criminals have guns? Oh, wait I forgot Obama was selling them to criminals, got it.

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That is just patently false.

And I'm hugely pro-gun. But that broken line of reasoning is just absurd. There are dozens of ways to implement legal constraint that would grossly reduce the instances of firearm deaths in the United States.

Just because those paths are political suicide and would be fought tooth and claw by a huge swath of Americans (without even touching the Constitutional aspects, which are massive) doesn't mean there aren't actual ways of doing it.

It's just that nobody wants to follow them, for better and for worse.
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Wake up, why do criminals have guns? Oh, wait I forgot Obama was selling them to criminals, got it.
Yes, that is the reason criminals have guns.
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Wake up, why do criminals have guns? Oh, wait I forgot Obama was selling them to criminals, got it.
Mods this isn't the time for a gun debate so just delete anything that isn't reporting the actual event.....
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How can CNN know that this person has knowledge of the case ?

CNN has presented a lot of people with knowledge of the case and a lot of them had no knowledge of the case or did not exist :CNN is good in inventing people with knowledge of the case .

And the man of whom CNN claims that he has knowledge of the case ,said that there was no known link to overseas terrorism .

Maybe there was an unknown link ? It could be that the knowledge of the man was lacking .

Or maybe there was a known link to domestic terrorism ?

Conclusion : what one can expect from CNN : meaningless twaddle .
What a text book example of sophistry masquerading as casuistry
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That is just patently false.

And I'm hugely pro-gun. But that broken line of reasoning is just absurd. There are dozens of ways to implement legal constraint that would grossly reduce the instances of firearm deaths in the United States.

Just because those paths are political suicide and would be fought tooth and claw by a huge swath of Americans (without even touching the Constitutional aspects, which are massive) doesn't mean there aren't actual ways of doing it.

It's just that nobody wants to follow them, for better and for worse.
Dozens of ways ?

Give us 3 please .

There is only ONE such way , but the politicians have no guts,as always : hang every one who uses a fire arm to commit a crime . Even he is a minor .

The problem is not people having guns, but people committing crimes .

The first murderer on earth had no gun : Cain had no gun to kill his brother . Jack the Ripper also had no gun .

People with guns are not committing more crimes than people without guns.
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That is just patently false.

And I'm hugely pro-gun. But that broken line of reasoning is just absurd. There are dozens of ways to implement legal constraint that would grossly reduce the instances of firearm deaths in the United States.

Just because those paths are political suicide and would be fought tooth and claw by a huge swath of Americans (without even touching the Constitutional aspects, which are massive) doesn't mean there aren't actual ways of doing it.

It's just that nobody wants to follow them, for better and for worse.


The fact that he had a gun did not cause him to want to kill people, but it made him more dangerous in that regard.
I suspect that he is mentally ill. His brother was quoted as saying he "snapped".

We all agree that mentally ill people shouldn't have guns, but the problem is that we don't know who all the mentally ill people are.
We can't force prospective gun buyers to prove they are not mentally ill and we can't force people to submit to exams without hearings that protect their rights.

We are all innocent until proven guilty so the authorities have no right to force us to prove we are mentally healthy prior to exercising aright recognized by the Constitutional.
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Dozens of ways ?

Give us 3 please .

There is only ONE such way , but the politicians have no guts,as always : hang every one who uses a fire arm to commit a crime . Even he is a minor .

The problem is not people having guns, but people committing crimes .

The first murderer on earth had no gun : Cain had no gun to kill his brother . Jack the Ripper also had no gun .

People with guns are not committing more crimes than people without guns.
Jack the Ripper didn't knife hundreds from the 32nd floor.
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