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exactly...and he graduated....all the physical effort, time, studying, etc...drill, up early, etc.....a lot more effort than a regular college
maybe he doesn't want to be in? it cost 0 $$--yes? then he's free
..I'm guessing just another youngster's idiocy though
I would think that after the extremely rigorous training both physical and academic, not to mention the fixation on an inherent social pecking order dependent on class and academic standing, that this individual had neither the brains nor the discipline to reign in his foolish behavior.
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The same arguments that we see today were also made against MLK. Anytime a person of color says that racism exists they're always met with contention. Many US senators along with the majority of the country had no idea why MLK was complaining. According to them, it was his fault that his protests were causing division and blacks had it so good in America that there was no reason to protest in the first place. White America is saying the same things today as what was said then.
His complaints were real and obvious. They were at the time too, but some wanted to deny they were problems. Today, the problem isn't nearly as obvious, and the position of many groups is clearly based on opinion or incorrect belief rather than fact.
Sure, racism still exists. It doesn't know a color either. Over my lifetime the most bigoted, racist people I have met have often been Black. That doesn't mean there aren't White or Asian, or Hispanic, or whatever racists. There are.

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When affirmative action was first implemented it was certainly needed. With the way the country felt about minorities back then it was the only way of providing a fair playing field. Again this is more cause and effect and you continue to fail to address the cause and why this was introduced in the first place. If people weren't so racist, the need for it wouldn't have existed and we wouldn't see it today. But, you never point the finger at the people who created this problem.
And, when it was instituted something like 50 + years ago it was needed. Now it's not. Why? Because today it has become an institutionalized bureaucratic government system of prejudice and racism on its own. It for all intents requires quotas. It puts race ahead of ability in hiring and promotion for example.
That is just as bigoted and racist when you promote someone on skin color today because of affirmative action demands as it was 50 or 100 years ago.
The people that created affirmative action weren't at fault. They wanted a temporary program to make up for past wrongs. What we got was a permanent program of entitlement that is every bit as racist today as what it was supposed to cure. Today I blame the Left again for fighting tooth and nail to keep it in place.

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Now whether or not it's still needed, had you asked me 5 years ago I'd say no. But, given the current climate, the rise in white nationalism, and so many conservatives who support racial tribalism, well, I'm not sure how you expect to be trusted.
I said "No" 20 years ago. I say "No" today. Keeping something racist in place only allows racism to continue. Oh, there is no "...rise in (W)hite nationalism..." today anymore than there was 10 or 20 years ago. The only thing that has changed is the Left and their abettors have gotten more vocal about pushing a racist agenda, and as part of that are making unsubstantiated claims about White privilege and nationalism.

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If so many on the right hold negative opinions towards blacks, how can that not play a factor in their hiring...
So many don't. So many on the non-Left want hiring to be on the basis of merit and ability rather than race. Right now, especially in government and Big Business, that isn't the case. Race trumps ability and merit.


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Yeah big f* deal. People should have the freedom to learn whatever they want, it's their money that's paying for it. Minorities also have the right to learn about their heritage and accomplishments. You can't erase or white wash history.
It is a big deal. First, much of what these areas in universities teach is lies and propaganda. These programs are often little more than indoctrination posing as higher education. Where it really gets egregious is when people who majored in these fields take this into public education.
I already have given one example of this I got personally involved in: The Raza Studies program with the Tucson Unified School District. The program was nothing but indoctrination in racism, hatred, and a revisionist set of lies about history.

This is typical of what supporters wrote at the time:

http://education-radio.blogspot.com/...a-studies.html

I won't even give the opposing view point (including my own).

Programs like this are multiplying in our public schools across the country today. Do we really want public education to become indoctrination for a generation of radicals? That's where this is going, and it is growing.


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You're trying to erase everyone's ethnicity as well.
Yep. We should. No more hyphenated Americans. That's color and race blind.

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It's sad that the left's push for equality has divided the nation, but again history shows that equality has always divided America. Maybe one day it'll become a bipartisan issue.
History also shows that the more power the Left gets, the more society and the economy get screwed. Venezuela is a glaring example of this. Zimbabwe is too. The Soviet Union is another.

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The left cannot control birth rates. White birth rates are low which is what's going to change the racial composition of America.
Tell that to the Chinese. Eugenics in the form of abortion policy is something the Left buys into wholesale. Look at the (quite serious too) Voluntary Human Extinction Movement on the Left. Yes, that's a real thing.

http://vhemt.org

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It is what it is, the right will never be accepting of a society that's accepting of all colors, religions and sexual preferences. So the question is whether or not we should change the core tenant of America, freedom, in order to appease them?
Wrong. Only the extreme Right won't, and nobody likes or pays attention to them. Their numbers as demonstrated recently, are miniscule.
The question on the table is should America knuckle under to the Left and become a Socialist dictatorship of virtue based on forced adherence to Leftist oppression of freedom, thought, and ideas? That's the real question because that's the real danger here.

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We do not lack a shared history. Everything that happened here from 1776 to today is our history. Black, white and brown.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/07/opinio...ory/index.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_1954987.html

http://www.imperfectparent.com/topic...ory-knowledge/

Public schools in America are teaching history as multicultural trivia rather than focused first on teaching students their own history to be followed by a world history later. We are losing our shared history because we aren't learning it today.

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What are you going to do? Force people to be straight? Food is divisive? The way we dress is divisive? Really? Either you want to live in a free country or not, if you believe in freedom then you just have to accept that people are going to look and think differently than you.
Ah, the complex question hour now... Freedom has limits. That you don't like the limits I suggest doesn't make them wrong. Many people, particularly those on the Left absolutely hate that the far Right has freedom of speech for example. They want to limit that. You've even hinted at preferring to limit their speech too. I see no problem with both getting their say, but draw the line at either being able to force me to listen to them, which both would love to do.
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The thing is it didn't. What we got is a quote system for both race and gender. It is most pronounced with in the Fed hiring system. Go to your post office. Do you see the employees spread across all races as a proportion of their part of the population or does it lean heavily in favor of non-white races?

I've been in more than one post office over the years.
It did. I don't think everyone is aware of the level of inhuman hate that was expressed towards blacks at the time.

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After being integrated with black workers on shop floors, 25,000 white workers participated in a wildcat walkout. This event was commonly referred to as a “hate strike.”

I’d rather see Hitler and Hirohito win than have to work next to a n**r,” one striker announced over a loudspeaker.
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Other industries were even less receptive to hiring blacks. Because retailers didn’t want their white customers to have to interact with black clerks and salespeople, any black hires were relegated to backroom work.
http://theconversation.com/why-detro...-of-1967-81065

Whites hated blacks so much, they refused to work with them and would rather lose ww2.

So if you're a business owner and your white customers don't want to be around blacks and your white employees don't want to work with them, what incentive do you have to hire blacks? Affirmative action was necessary and even after its implementation there was still clear racism within the workplace and within hiring practices.

But, yet again you fail to take any accountability for why affirmative action came to be. You want to get rid of this, I do as well, so recognize where it came from and stop the hate. You have to stop ignoring the other side of the equation and at least try to be reasonable.
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Being an officer, he's going to get messed up fitreps (evaluations) and be sent somewhere where he's harmless and useless that tells those on promotion boards "don't promote this guy!" He won't be going overseas either. They'll keep him INCONUS at some really undesirable base. Maybe a reserve center in the middle of nowhere as XO or something like that.

He'll ride out his mandatory term of service (probably 4 or 6 years) then resign if he's smart.

If he's as stupid as he seems, he'll make more waves in public and get court martialed and discharged over it.

Can't we just have him shot?
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His complaints were real and obvious.
Except they weren't obvious to the vast majority of white Americans. At the start, 67% of the country did not like MLK or his message. It didn't become obvious until it was beaten in their head.

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And, when it was instituted something like 50 + years ago it was needed.
So address the core issue then. Laws cannot change the way people think. Just because it's more difficult to express racism today, does not mean that less people hold racist ideologies.

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Now it's not. Why? Because today it has become an institutionalized bureaucratic government system of prejudice and racism on its own. It for all intents requires quotas. It puts race ahead of ability in hiring and promotion for example.
In some cases it can. Privately owned businesses do not have hiring quotas to meet, they simply cannot discriminate based on race. Strictly meaning they cannot pass on a qualified candidate and decline them solely based on their ethnicity.

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That is just as bigoted and racist when you promote someone on skin color today because of affirmative action demands as it was 50 or 100 years ago.
The people that created affirmative action weren't at fault. They wanted a temporary program to make up for past wrongs. What we got was a permanent program of entitlement that is every bit as racist today as what it was supposed to cure. Today I blame the Left again for fighting tooth and nail to keep it in place.
The people that created it aren't at fault, they did what was right. The people at fault are the racist white Americans who made it necessary.

I'm sorry but you haven't made a strong argument as to why you can be trusted without affirmative action. You can't promote racial tribalism and expect to gain anyone's trust.

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I said "No" 20 years ago. I say "No" today. Keeping something racist in place only allows racism to continue. Oh, there is no "...rise in (W)hite nationalism..." today anymore than there was 10 or 20 years ago. The only thing that has changed is the Left and their abettors have gotten more vocal about pushing a racist agenda, and as part of that are making unsubstantiated claims about White privilege and nationalism.
According to the FBI it's on the same level as Muslim terror groups:

"The threat of white nationalist violence in the U.S. is at least as big a threat as that posed by the Islamic State (ISIS) and similar groups, the FBI revealed Wednesday.

Director Chris Wray told the Senate Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee that there are currently 1,000 open investigations into domestic terrorist groups and another 1,000 probes into groups with radical Islamist ideology."

http://www.newsweek.com/white-nation...ns-show-672623

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So many don't. So many on the non-Left want hiring to be on the basis of merit and ability rather than race. Right now, especially in government and Big Business, that isn't the case. Race trumps ability and merit.
I want it that way as the well, the question is whether that would be the case if it were legal to discriminate. But again, businesses can hire whoever they want, as is.

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It is a big deal. First, much of what these areas in universities teach is lies and propaganda. These programs are often little more than indoctrination posing as higher education. Where it really gets egregious is when people who majored in these fields take this into public education.
I already have given one example of this I got personally involved in: The Raza Studies program with the Tucson Unified School District. The program was nothing but indoctrination in racism, hatred, and a revisionist set of lies about history.
Yes one example out of how many schools. Good job getting rid of it though, but your example as we discussed before is hardly an epidemic. Nor should all studies outside of white history be destroyed because a select few abused it.

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Yep. We should. No more hyphenated Americans. That's color and race blind.
Yeah sorry, whites have already stripped blacks of their name and heritage once, not going to happen again. White washing is not an option nor is it multicultural, which I know you're obviously against anyway.

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History also shows that the more power the Left gets, the more society and the economy get screwed. Venezuela is a glaring example of this. Zimbabwe is too. The Soviet Union is another.
There are a host of other issues those countries have, but right-wing policy is the way to go. No argument there. Except the right has to start being consistent and stop sacrificing their "values" in the name of partisanship or racism. And if you don't want this country to go far left, at some point you're going to need minorities on your side. Stripping them of their heritage isn't going to win any minority race over, I can guarantee you that.

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Tell that to the Chinese. Eugenics in the form of abortion policy is something the Left buys into wholesale. Look at the (quite serious too) Voluntary Human Extinction Movement on the Left. Yes, that's a real thing.
We do not practice eugenics in the US. Look at the science instead of the fringe conspiracies.

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Wrong. Only the extreme Right won't, and nobody likes or pays attention to them. Their numbers as demonstrated recently, are miniscule.
The question on the table is should America knuckle under to the Left and become a Socialist dictatorship of virtue based on forced adherence to Leftist oppression of freedom, thought, and ideas? That's the real question because that's the real danger here.

Public schools in America are teaching history as multicultural trivia rather than focused first on teaching students their own history to be followed by a world history later. We are losing our shared history because we aren't learning it today.
All I can say is, I was taught all of the American propaganda throughout school. Multiculturalism was never a topic of discussion aside from when we were going over the civil rights movement.

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Ah, the complex question hour now... Freedom has limits. That you don't like the limits I suggest doesn't make them wrong. Many people, particularly those on the Left absolutely hate that the far Right has freedom of speech for example. They want to limit that. You've even hinted at preferring to limit their speech too. I see no problem with both getting their say, but draw the line at either being able to force me to listen to them, which both would love to do.
Freedom should have no limit so long as it's not encumbering on someone else's life, which is what you're trying to do. At no point have I tried to limit anyone. A muslim wearing a hijab is not encumbering on your life. Someone being gay is not encumbering on your life. Someone eating Chinese food is not, etc etc.
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What you want are a country of drones, similar to what has been created in North Korea, where everyone looks, talks acts and thinks the same. Which doesn't sound very exciting or free.

Yes freedom has its downsides. There is no such thing as a Utopian society, you have to take the good with the bad. But, I was led to believe that Americans value freedom above all else. It is very apparent that only resides in libertarian Americans.
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I want this guy on my team.

His misplaced sarcasm needs to be reined in, but it is an strong indication that he can think outside the box...An important factor to survive today's battlefield and still complete the mission.

If someone thinks that he believes in the communist ideology after four years at West Point, I would suggest that the issue then is not the young man but what is being taught at the military institute.

Oh! Don't get me wrong. Appropriate disciplinary actions would be taken and I would make darn sure he understood that psychopath Dr Che Guereva was no hero to democracy.

And before someone post that I can have him, if I want him...If I could, I definitely would... And my team would be stronger for it.
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"The threat of white nationalist violence in the U.S. is at least as big a threat as that posed by the Islamic State (ISIS) and similar groups, the FBI revealed Wednesday.

Director Chris Wray told the Senate Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee that there are currently 1,000 open investigations into domestic terrorist groups and another 1,000 probes into groups with radical Islamist ideology."

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We do not practice eugenics in the US. Look at the science instead of the fringe conspiracies.


1) That the FBI is investigating as many cases of White nationalism as of Muslim terrorism, is not a proof that both are as dangerous .During the Obama years,the FBI was focussing on white nationalism and ignoring Muslim terroruism .

2) Here your knowledge is lacking as much as on point 1 : never heard of the founder of Planned Parenthood? Margaret Sanger, a high priest of eugenics ?

Of course not .

In "Morality of Birth Control " (1921) she said that the procreation of "irresponsible and reckless people " whose religious scruples prevent "their exercising control over their number" should be stopped .

She also advocated the COMPULSORY sterelization of the " profoundly retarded ", something that was practised in Germany

Eugenics is still alive in the USA . .
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I suppose that you can infer whatever you think supports your view from a split second image. Whether or not the people around this clown saw what he was doing, you have no way of knowing what they 'minded' or not.

This person has effectively negated any authority he may be able to project in any command capacity if he is allowed to go forward with a military career. The mere fact that this image has been posted assures that and, if you think otherwise, then it's obvious that you have never served in the military and are thus unqualified to have an educated opinion on this subject.
Something like 1 percent of Americans serve the military, but all Americans have an equal say in our social affairs. Because CSA and Catholic symbols are allowed so should Communist symbols be allowed to be sported by US military members. I will say if anything the Communist symbols are more welcome then CSA symbols due to the USSR alliance during WW2.

If a business in America or an American military unit in Iraq wanted to put a Communist flag and most employees or most members of the military unit agreed it should be allowed.
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Can't we just have him shot?
That SoB violated also article 88 of the UCMJ by insulting the Secretary of Defense (calling him a " evil, vile, f...)and the Vice President(calling him a "f..ing,medieval,cold-blooded killer ) and professed his admiration for the traitor Manning .

Imagine that he had an inscription : KKK will win . Presses would be stopped and CNN would whine : it's the fault of Trump .


But,all this does not surprise me : a communist becoming chief of CIA, the Obama administration swarming with marxists, communists,former communists, crypto -communists,the communist leaders saying that Obama is a friend, Obama professing his admiration for Chavez and Che Guevara,and all the unknown communists busy with a long march through the institutions . They are already taking over in Europe,will America follow ?
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Something like 1 percent of Americans serve the military, but all Americans have an equal say in our social affairs. Because CSA and Catholic symbols are allowed so should Communist symbols be allowed to be sported by US military members. I will say if anything the Communist symbols are more welcome then CSA symbols due to the USSR alliance during WW2.

If a business in America or an American military unit in Iraq wanted to put a Communist flag and most employees or most members of the military unit agreed it should be allowed.
Joe must return ! There must be people as Joe in Wisconsin .

Joe: come back .
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If a business in America or an American military unit in Iraq wanted to put a Communist flag and most employees or most members of the military unit agreed it should be allowed.
The military IS NOT a democracy. Units don't vote on their leadership or decisions by that leadership on what they will or will not do. The rank and file don't get a say on what the unit does... PERIOD!

Businesses are the same way. There is no "worker's collective" voting on what the business will do. The owner(s) decide, and that's that. If you as an employee embarrass or buck the owner / management, they can fire your sorry behind for not doing what's in the best interests of the company and it's owners writing your paycheck.
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How much trouble is this idiot facing because of this "bone headed " stunt?I'm surprised he graduated after something like this.
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