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Six people have been injured in multiple acid attacks at a busy London shopping centre as police launch a manhunt to find the culprits. Officers were called just before 8pm on Saturday to Stratford, east London, near to the Olympic Park, to reports of multiple victims having being sprayed with acid at locations around the station and busy shopping centre.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...d-acid-attack/

It appears to have been a fight between two groups of teenagers.Sadly acid has become an increasingly common weapon of choice among a wide range of people. In this country it has occurred since the 18th and 19th centuries.

Would it surprise me to see it used by Islamist terrorists - not at all, would it be a surprise to see it used in other forms of attacks, honour crimes, other types of domestic violence cases, gangs, muggings, etc - not at all.

Then again you are not interested in facts.
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It appears to have been a fight between two groups of teenagers.Sadly acid has become an increasingly common weapon of choice among a wide range of people. In this country it has occurred since the 18th and 19th centuries.

Would it surprise me to see it used by Islamist terrorists - not at all, would it be a surprise to see it used in other forms of attacks, honour crimes, other types of domestic violence cases, gangs, muggings, etc - not at all.

Then again you are not interested in facts.
Has already been used many times in "honour" attacks
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Has already been used many times in "honour" attacks
I know that is why I said it would not surprise me to see it being used.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...d-acid-attack/

It appears to have been a fight between two groups of teenagers.Sadly acid has become an increasingly common weapon of choice among a wide range of people. In this country it has occurred since the 18th and 19th centuries.

Would it surprise me to see it used by Islamist terrorists - not at all, would it be a surprise to see it used in other forms of attacks, honour crimes, other types of domestic violence cases, gangs, muggings, etc - not at all.

Then again you are not interested in facts.
Newham : borough with the second highest % of Muslims in the UK .It has the highest number of acid attacks. Coincidence ? 398 acid attacks in Newham in 5 years .Coincidence ?

Acid attacks are the blessings of a multicultural society : when the autochtons have wisely left, the newcomers attack each other .

And the police ? The police is saying : it's a social issue .
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Workplace violence, nothing to be alarmed at.

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Newham : borough with the second highest % of Muslims in the UK .It has the highest number of acid attacks. Coincidence ? 398 acid attacks in Newham in 5 years .Coincidence ?

Acid attacks are the blessings of a multicultural society : when the autochtons have wisely left, the newcomers attack each other .

And the police ? The police is saying : it's a social issue .
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Newham : borough with the second highest % of Muslims in the UK .It has the highest number of acid attacks. Coincidence ? 398 acid attacks in Newham in 5 years .Coincidence ?

Acid attacks are the blessings of a multicultural society : when the autochtons have wisely left, the newcomers attack each other .

And the police ? The police is saying : it's a social issue .
Cobblers. Acid attacks have been around since the start of the industrial revolution when acid became commonly available - stop trolling
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So this is fake news?

"Corrosive substances are increasingly used as weapons in the U.K., especially in London, which had more than 450 attacks in 2016."

http://www.npr.org/sections/parallel...ise-in-the-u-k

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So this is fake news?

"Corrosive substances are increasingly used as weapons in the U.K., especially in London, which had more than 450 attacks in 2016."

http://www.npr.org/sections/parallel...ise-in-the-u-k
The interrpretation certainly

From A History of Acid Attacks

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Attacks always occurred in clusters, usually in London or other large cities, and the attackers were rarely caught. The earliest report of such an assault dates from 1785, and there were further outbreaks in England at least seven times during the next eighty years. Similar crimes occurred frequently in the United States, where in 1854 one persistent attacker was finally apprehended. Theodore Gray, dubbed ‘Vitriol Man’ by the New York press, had attacked dozens of women with acid squirted from a contraption hidden in his pockets or sleeves. He denied that he was insane but could not say why he committed such acts, although he admitted that financial problems were a contributory factor.[12]

Acid throwing during industrial disputes occurred during the first half of the century in England, Scotland and Ireland, and usually involved mobs of men (and sometimes women) squirting or throwing vitriol over looms, fabric or machinery. More seriously, mill owners were sometimes attacked and disfigured: in Ireland in 1842 four sawyers were transported for life for blinding a man who had just built a steam-powered saw mill.[13] Such incidents were no doubt fresh in reader’s memories when Elizabeth Gaskell included an incident of vitriol throwing in her novel Mary Barton (1848), which addressed the antagonism between masters and workers in Manchester.[14]
Conan Doyle even has a Sherlock Holmes adventure which involves a vitriol attack

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"Attacks always occurred in clusters, usually in London or other large cities, and the attackers were rarely caught."

They were usually lumped in the statistics under grievous bodily harm and not called acid attacks in the press reports but vitriol throwing or vitrioling. Of those actually convicted male and female seem about equal and there seems to be no ethnic or religious bias even though this seems to be assumed.

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One possible reason for the decline was the increasing difficulty of obtaining sulphuric or hydrochloric acid but now it is much too easy to obtain a very corrosive substance
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Cite a year before 2016 when there were 450 attacks in London .

The enormous increase of these attacks is caused by multiculturalism and happens especially in multicultural boroughs .
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there seems to be no ethnic or religious bias even though this seems to be assumed.


Seems


The sentence above seems to be the usual whitewashing,denying and ostrich policy from the liberals, when reality is peeping through the keyhole of their tower of ivory .

Mass acid attacks in a borough inhabited by immigrants : that has nothing to do with ethnic or racial problems .It was only for the fun .
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Cite a year before 2016 when there were 450 attacks in London .

The enormous increase of these attacks is caused by multiculturalism and happens especially in multicultural boroughs .
If it was simply the result of multiculturalism, i.e. number of Muslims, one would expect the number of acid attacks in other European countries with similar numbers of Muslims to be roughly equal. However, the number of reported acid attacks in Britain are substantially higher. Could it be something culturally specific to Britain? Could it be something culturally specific regarding those immigrants who have come to Britain? Could it be related to ease of purchase and procurement of acid and corrosive agents in Britain? Who knows.
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