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In my opinion it isn't motorway IED's we should be worried about but sabotage of busy main line railway tracks.
Roads are comprehensively covered with CCTV and regular police patrols plus an ied will cause a crash and possibly a few casualties.

A railway track is not covered by CCTV and can be easily accessed then cut with an explosive charge just before the jam packed passenger train rolls through.

They could even get two in one hit if they time a down line and an up line to pass the same spot.

A study of timetables and simple observations will show where and when two trains regularly pass each other.

Let's say a thousand pax on the train heading into a large city at 0830 and a couple of hundred heading out on the other train, plus the disruption caused as they secure the scene, search for victims, conduct an investigation and clear the wreckage then fix the track and bed.

Obviously this would be exacerbated if they staged it on a large bridge such as the Forth.

Doesn't bear thinking about.
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In my opinion it isn't motorway IED's we should be worried about but sabotage of busy main line railway tracks.
Roads are comprehensively covered with CCTV and regular police patrols plus an ied will cause a crash and possibly a few casualties.

A railway track is not covered by CCTV and can be easily accessed then cut with an explosive charge just before the jam packed passenger train rolls through.

They could even get two in one hit if they time a down line and an up line to pass the same spot.

A study of timetables and simple observations will show where and when two trains regularly pass each other.

Let's say a thousand pax on the train heading into a large city at 0830 and a couple of hundred heading out on the other train, plus the disruption caused as they secure the scene, search for victims, conduct an investigation and clear the wreckage then fix the track and bed.

Obviously this would be exacerbated if they staged it on a large bridge such as the Forth.

Doesn't bear thinking about.
Islamic terrorists killed 192 when they attacked the trains in Madrid in 2004. However recent attacks tend to have less planning involved.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004...train_bombings
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In my opinion it isn't motorway IED's we should be worried about but sabotage of busy main line railway tracks.
Roads are comprehensively covered with CCTV and regular police patrols plus an ied will cause a crash and possibly a few casualties.

A railway track is not covered by CCTV and can be easily accessed then cut with an explosive charge just before the jam packed passenger train rolls through.

They could even get two in one hit if they time a down line and an up line to pass the same spot.

A study of timetables and simple observations will show where and when two trains regularly pass each other.

Let's say a thousand pax on the train heading into a large city at 0830 and a couple of hundred heading out on the other train, plus the disruption caused as they secure the scene, search for victims, conduct an investigation and clear the wreckage then fix the track and bed.

Obviously this would be exacerbated if they staged it on a large bridge such as the Forth.

Doesn't bear thinking about.
Zahid Hussain is already in prison for attempting this in Birmingham this year.
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Zahid Hussain is already in prison for attempting this in Birmingham this year.
Can you give me some details on this case,does it follow what I described?
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Can you give me some details on this case,does it follow what I described?
Not really clear, but it looks like he was trying to hit the train directly, rather break the track.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...ngham-40046773
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A 17-year-old boy has been charged after "potentially hazardous material" forced the closure of the M3 motorway.
Thousands of people were stuck in queues for 11 hours on 23 September between junctions nine and 11.
The boy, from Winchester, has been charged with two counts of arson with intent to endanger life and two counts of causing danger to road users.
The charges relate to incidents on the M3 on both 16 and 23 September, Hampshire Police said.
The force said the boy is due before Basingstoke magistrates on Monday.
Perhaps we'll learn what the hazardous material was then
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-41460551
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